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Does 1/1 armor decay after one hit? or does it never decay?

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Wolfe26 wrote:

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Quizz wrote:

Didnt bring this up before and make a stink about cause i didnt want people to know. Was also hopeing this would get fixed, b4 people realized it, but the word is out and this means the death to our profession. For those of u that didnt know, armor still worked, especially psg's, to full resists even thou it decayed to less then 50% or even 1/1. I have more and more people telling this to me in game and i'm starting to see sells drop dramatically. So if u think armor sales were down because everyone unlocked jedi, you are mistaken. Its because eveyone knows that armor still works even thou its broken.

So...no sense in being secretive anymore. We need to get on the bandwagon and raise some hell to get this fixed. This problem has been known to the devs since cu. i have sent in bug reports and Caille has also brought this up to the DEVs personally. And here we are a few months later since CU and no fix for it yet.

This let this be the official thread to get things rolling for support to get this fixed. Like i said there is no reason to be quiet about this anymore, people know already.

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If you read some of the threads before posting you would know this has been brought up more than once and tested to find that 0 condition armor DOES NOT protect...

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well if u would of tested it yourself instead of believing others u would find out that u were lied to, because people like me didnt wont people to know. but its too late now. no fix and word is out

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Quizz wrote:

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Wolfe26 wrote:

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Quizz wrote:

Didnt bring this up before and make a stink about cause i didnt want people to know. Was also hopeing this would get fixed, b4 people realized it, but the word is out and this means the death to our profession. For those of u that didnt know, armor still worked, especially psg's, to full resists even thou it decayed to less then 50% or even 1/1. I have more and more people telling this to me in game and i'm starting to see sells drop dramatically. So if u think armor sales were down because everyone unlocked jedi, you are mistaken. Its because eveyone knows that armor still works even thou its broken.

So...no sense in being secretive anymore. We need to get on the bandwagon and raise some hell to get this fixed. This problem has been known to the devs since cu. i have sent in bug reports and Caille has also brought this up to the DEVs personally. And here we are a few months later since CU and no fix for it yet.

This let this be the official thread to get things rolling for support to get this fixed. Like i said there is no reason to be quiet about this anymore, people know already.

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If you read some of the threads before posting you would know this has been brought up more than once and tested to find that 0 condition armor DOES NOT protect...

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well if u would of tested it yourself instead of believing others u would find out that u were lied to, because people like me didnt wont people to know. but its too late now. no fix and word is out

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So you are saying we should believe you over others including myself? And you are telling me you broke every piece of your armor to test this as we all know shots hit random areas... I sure know I got it good at times when my armor was broke and it randomly hit the no armor spot.

We don't lie to each other here that doesn't get the problem fixed we bug report it. If you can reproduce it put it in the current bug thread.

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Wolfe26 wrote:

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Quizz wrote:

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Wolfe26 wrote:

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Quizz wrote:

Didnt bring this up before and make a stink about cause i didnt want people to know. Was also hopeing this would get fixed, b4 people realized it, but the word is out and this means the death to our profession. For those of u that didnt know, armor still worked, especially psg's, to full resists even thou it decayed to less then 50% or even 1/1. I have more and more people telling this to me in game and i'm starting to see sells drop dramatically. So if u think armor sales were down because everyone unlocked jedi, you are mistaken. Its because eveyone knows that armor still works even thou its broken.

So...no sense in being secretive anymore. We need to get on the bandwagon and raise some hell to get this fixed. This problem has been known to the devs since cu. i have sent in bug reports and Caille has also brought this up to the DEVs personally. And here we are a few months later since CU and no fix for it yet.

This let this be the official thread to get things rolling for support to get this fixed. Like i said there is no reason to be quiet about this anymore, people know already.

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If you read some of the threads before posting you would know this has been brought up more than once and tested to find that 0 condition armor DOES NOT protect...

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well if u would of tested it yourself instead of believing others u would find out that u were lied to, because people like me didnt wont people to know. but its too late now. no fix and word is out

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So you are saying we should believe you over others including myself? And you are telling me you broke every piece of your armor to test this as we all know shots hit random areas... I sure know I got it good at times when my armor was broke and it randomly hit the no armor spot.

We don't lie to each other here that doesn't get the problem fixed we bug report it. If you can reproduce it put it in the current bug thread.

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why else would we delete posts to keep this from getting out. do me a favor and test it today if u dont believe me. in fact, i dare anyone to try this. and i only broke one piece of armor and wore only that piece of broken armor and nothing else. and everyone once and a while it would hit that only piece of armor and it would say it absorbed XX amount of damge out of XX damgage. atm im trying to figure out how to compress photos so i may share my results.

im not trying to start a flame war bud. im trying to save our profession. no one has right to say it does or dosent work unless u tested it today. i tested it, i suggest u do the same so we can put this to rest once and for all.

Message Edited by Quizz on 08-17-2005 03:26 PM

Wolfe is right. What exactly did you do for the test? Many testers that I've seen have been under the impression that a head shot still hits the head, where in fact it hits a random spot. The only way to test this is to have the entire full set on and measure the percentage resists and then break the entire set and measure again. Is this what you did?

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LeviticusD wrote:
Wolfe is right. What exactly did you do for the test? Many testers that I've seen have been under the impression that a head shot still hits the head, where in fact it hits a random spot. The only way to test this is to have the entire full set on and measure the percentage resists and then break the entire set and measure again. Is this what you did?

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all i had my bud do is hit me with ranged attack. it was totally random i'm assuming cause it only hit my pants(the only piece of armor i had on) about 1out of 3times. the rest of the shots were not saying it was absorbing damge nor should it since im not wearing any armor then that one piece of leg armor.

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Quizz wrote:

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LeviticusD wrote:
Wolfe is right. What exactly did you do for the test? Many testers that I've seen have been under the impression that a head shot still hits the head, where in fact it hits a random spot. The only way to test this is to have the entire full set on and measure the percentage resists and then break the entire set and measure again. Is this what you did?

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all i had my bud do is hit me with ranged attack. it was totally random i'm assuming cause it only hit my pants(the only piece of armor i had on) about 1out of 3times. the rest of the shots were not saying it was absorbing damge nor should it since im not wearing any armor then that one piece of leg armor.

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Thanks for the clarification. I do agree, this is something that needs to be addressed. Since we are in between Corro's right now, make sure you bring it up when the new one steps up to the plate.

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LeviticusD wrote:

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Quizz wrote:

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LeviticusD wrote:
Wolfe is right. What exactly did you do for the test? Many testers that I've seen have been under the impression that a head shot still hits the head, where in fact it hits a random spot. The only way to test this is to have the entire full set on and measure the percentage resists and then break the entire set and measure again. Is this what you did?

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all i had my bud do is hit me with ranged attack. it was totally random i'm assuming cause it only hit my pants(the only piece of armor i had on) about 1out of 3times. the rest of the shots were not saying it was absorbing damge nor should it since im not wearing any armor then that one piece of leg armor.

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Thanks for the clarification. I do agree, this is something that needs to be addressed. Since we are in between Corro's right now, make sure you bring it up when the new one steps up to the plate.

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it needs to be addressed now. even at 1/1 condition its still absorbing full amount of damage. this is something that cant wait any longer. word of this bug is already spreading fast.

I have to back Quizz up on this. What type of shot and where it hit you is irrelevant. All we are testing is to see whether 1/1 condition armor stops damage as well as full condition armor.

It does, at least in my tests.

I pulled out a suit of pre CU mabari and got a jedi friend to hurt me. Stats are 3460/2460/1460. She shot me with a scout blaster, a laser rifle, and then pounded me with her saber just for fun. At full condition, the armor stopped 25 of 78 points of damage from the scout blaster, 207 of 428 points of damage from the laser rifle, and 121 of 1120 points of damage from the lightsaber (it did heat damage, too).

I made a pitiful 2.42 rated repair tool and immediately broke the chest plate and leggings I was using (at least I now believe tool quality makes a diff!). They are now at 1/1 condition. I had my friend run through the attacks again.

The armor blocked exactly the same amount of damage at 1/1 condition as it did at full condition.

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pykescylla wrote:
I have to back Quizz up on this. What type of shot and where it hit you is irrelevant. All we are testing is to see whether 1/1 condition armor stops damage as well as full condition armor.

It does, at least in my tests.

I pulled out a suit of pre CU mabari and got a jedi friend to hurt me. Stats are 3460/2460/1460. She shot me with a scout blaster, a laser rifle, and then pounded me with her saber just for fun. At full condition, the armor stopped 25 of 78 points of damage from the scout blaster, 207 of 428 points of damage from the laser rifle, and 121 of 1120 points of damage from the lightsaber (it did heat damage, too).

I made a pitiful 2.42 rated repair tool and immediately broke the chest plate and leggings I was using (at least I now believe tool quality makes a diff!). They are now at 1/1 condition. I had my friend run through the attacks again.

The armor blocked exactly the same amount of damage at 1/1 condition as it did at full condition.

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thank u for taking the time to test this.

we need more people to verify this so we can get more attention from devs to fix the problem they already knew excisted since CU

Message Edited by Quizz on 08-17-2005 03:53 PM

Just to clarify, we're talking 1/1 condition armor, not 0 condition armor. I don't have any of that to test.

Can 1/1 armor "break" and go to 0/1?

I also have some zero condition armor I can also test late tonightif no one else does before then....though I don't think that is the issue...it's just the 1/1. Right?