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Thread: Ubese Armor.. why is it not a BH armor???
slave138 wrote:
thedvn wrote:
lets readdress this point.
Why are BH's not Recon Armor ???
I don't agree with the assumption this discussion is based on (that BHs should be certed for Ubese armor because one BH wore it) but I do kind of wonder why BHs were given assult instead of recon armor, too. When you consider that most of their marks use energy weapons, it seems odd that a BH would wear armor weak against energy attacks.
Also, if you consider the movies, I would say BHs usually tended to wear recon armor. Of all the armors available in this game, BHs were seen wearing two of the three available recon suits and the rest (with the exception of the Fetts) wore none at all.
You are also assuming that BH is there only Profession. My current temp is Master Pistoleer , master Marks,bh 3,4,4,4. Carb 0400
Also note that the reason BH's ended up with armor that was bad against Lightsabers are because the design changed, at the time they got assault certed the design was that lightsabers should have their own special damage that you could only defend against by specificly layer the armor against it. But the design changed and jedi got energy damage instead but by then it was to late to change certification.
(The above info was taken from an old post by Tanks that I can't seem to find anymore).
Mcgreag2 wrote:
Bounty Hunters are certed for Assault armor because both Bounty Hunter Armor and Mandalorian are Assault class and I think most BH's would complain even more if they couldn't wear those two.
Circular logic. BH Armor / Mandalorian could just have easily been classified as recon or battle, and Bounty Hunters could just have easily have been assigned the other certifications. By that same token, assault could have been designed as +energy/-kinetic and recon as +kinetic/-energy.
What it boils down to is that these are all somewhat arbitrary design decisions based upon some goal of game balance and rock-paper-scissors.
Heck, if you wanted to be really nit-picky, what sort of weapon did Leia carry as Boushh in the Ubese Armor? Some kind of pike. Following this logic, Ubese should be a battle armor so pikemen could wear it. Same with Tantel.
admrl_pellaeon wrote:
Let me explain....
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The tiered structure I envision would make BH and other Assault armor cert'd profs more versatile as they could use the lower weight armors as well. I don't see how that is so hard to understand.
Unlearn what you have learned, and leave your expectations of reality at the login screen. No armor typeis inherently better than another. No armor is inherently "heavier" or more encumberingthan another.
Everything comes back to game balance and trying to ensure that all elite professions are on a fairly level playing field. Furthermore, most of the game's top-end contentissetup in comparison to a double-elite level 80 combatant who willoften have multiple armor certifications. If someone wants to choose between armor types, they can take the requisite professions to ensure they get those certifications.
Brutus_Krylop wrote:
admrl_pellaeon wrote:
Let me explain....
The tiered structure I envision would make BH and other Assault armor cert'd profs more versatile as they could use the lower weight armors as well. I don't see how that is so hard to understand.
Unlearn what you have learned, and leave your expectations of reality at the login screen. No armor typeis inherently better than another. No armor is inherently "heavier" or more encumberingthan another.
Everything comes back to game balance and trying to ensure that all elite professions are on a fairly level playing field. Furthermore, most of the game's top-end contentissetup in comparison to a double-elite level 80 combatant who willoften have multiple armor certifications. If someone wants to choose between armor types, they can take the requisite professions to ensure they get those certifications.
Indeed alot of 'pure' BHs tend to take smuggler or pistoleer for the states. And the recon armor certs. More often than not they'll go pistoleer though as it saves you quite a few SP to dump into something else. And it's actually quite possible to have a character that has full mitigations for two types of armor, and be able to wear the third but with heavy encumberances. (For example when I was mucking about with respecs I took my Master commando and paird him with Master rifleman and novice carbineer. Thus allowing me to wear all 3 armor types. But only Recon or Assault with any respectable mitigations)
The penalties that go along with wearing it is different than not being able to wear it at all, however, when game balance defies the perception of logic of realism or Star Wars canon (Rebels wearing Storm Trooper Armor, Leia using thermal detonators), we have to wait until the sanity of the LucasArts continuity division to kick in and twist SOE's contractual ear to make these things happen.
However, there are more immediate needs pressing... like getting beyond this beta test mark 2.0.
- J
admrl_pellaeon wrote:
Let me explain....
When I made my statement about certs being inclusive, what I meant is that as far armor goes
the weight/protection class goes up starting at recon going to battle going to assault. Compare recon to leather armor, it's a lightweight armor, easy to use with little to no training. Battle would the be comparable to a flak-jacket, a moderate grade armor in comparison, requiring more training and skill than the previous class. Assault would then be a heavy-duty, heavy weight armor requiring the most training and skill to use. It's not hard to see where I was going--by the time you are cert'd to wear the heavier armor, you would have had to progress through the training of the lower classes of armor first. As far as training is concerned, it makes sense.
Would you take a high school kid with their learner's permit and stick them in an 18-wheeler on the interstate? I would hope not, they should have to acquire their license before they get their CDL. Look at most training or "certification" programs and you will see that there is a stepped process to the master level that will include the lower levels. The tiered structure I envision would make BH and other Assault armor cert'd profs more versatile as they could use the lower weight armors as well. I don't see how that is so hard to understand.
ok you are still losing me here so i have to comment... you are not playing dark age of camelot or any other fantasy game that has levels of armor...
this is SWG with 3 types of armor thats it.... recon is best in energy... Assault is best in kinetic.... battle is best balanced armor(but will never reach as high as recon or assault in any one resist)....
why is bh armor in assault which is kinetic... 2 reasons.... balance... secondly look at the professions and where they stand in group combat... bh's are considered with the tankage classes... thus needing kinetic armor...
if you want the high energy resist... you have to pick up a second class that carries it... recon being best or battle and getting about 1k less in energy resist...
so no recon is NOT leather armor... its the best in energy which is what is done by MOST ranged weaponry and all jedi lightsabers....