Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Is armor even working?!?!
DoritosNVodka
Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:07 pm
#14
It does....
Been watching this for the past5 days. Number over your head matches the reduction in the Character Sheet (CS).
".....hit for XX points of damage....armor absorbed YY points out of XX..."
Number over your head and number removed from Health in CS is XX. Not XX-YY.
/bugged this already.
Plus, noticed today that sometimes instead of XX being Removed from your Health. it is actually being ADDED to your Health. Quite a few time I've seen my Health go from 3000/3000 to 3055/3000 after being hit for 53 points of damage.
_Monroe_
Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:11 pm
#15
DoritosNVodka wrote:
It does....
Been watching this for the past5 days. Number over your head matches the reduction in the Character Sheet (CS).
".....hit for XX points of damage....armor absorbed YY points out of XX..."
Number over your head and number removed from Health in CS is XX. Not XX-YY.
/bugged this already.
Plus, noticed today that sometimes instead of XX being Removed from your Health. it is actually being ADDED to your Health. Quite a few time I've seen my Health go from 3000/3000 to 3055/3000 after being hit for 53 points of damage.
So all of this level balancing is going on and armor isn't even working.
DoritosNVodka
Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:35 pm
#17
2 ScreenShots that show that Armor Reduction is NOT included in what value is removed from your Health AND that something is wrong with the code since I GET Health from being hit sometimes....
http://www.tdknet.com/n2tdk/screenShot0108.gif
0108 shows the Hit in the Combat Log but there is a second or 2 delay before it is removed from your Character Health. If you notice my Health is 3025/3000 Before being hit for 53 points (which 24 was supposed to be blocked by armor). The 3025 Health was from a previous hit that added to my Health.
http://www.tdknet.com/n2tdk/screenShot0109.gif
0109 show my Health is now 2983... Thats a 42 point reduction in Health. This was also after 2 5 point Health Regen ticks. 1 right after Pic 0108 was shot that put my Health at 3030 and 1 right before this pick that put my Health to 2983 from 2978. That's 10 points added to the 42 reduction shown by pics that gives 52 (guessing hidden Dec. in there somewhere).
Now, even if you take those 2 Regen Ticks off (since they do not show in the pics). There is a 42 point Reduction to Health from a hit that SHOULD have only reduced it by 29 points. 42 is closer to 53 than 29........Plus, where did the extra 13 point Health reduction come from without showing any damage in the Combat Log. No change in Log between those 2 pics. And the 2 (Original Pic Files) have a Creation time 2 seconds apart.
I converted them to GIF for smaller file size for viewing....
_Monroe_
Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:41 pm
#18
DoritosNVodka wrote:
2 ScreenShots that show that Armor Reduction is NOT included in what value is removed from your Health AND that something is wrong with the code since I GET Health from being hit sometimes....
0108 shows the Hit in the Combat Log but there is a second or 2 delay before it is removed from your Character Health. If you notice my Health is 3025/3000 Before being hit for 53 points (which 24 was supposed to be blocked by armor). The 3025 Health was from a previous hit that added to my Health.
0109 show my Health is now 2983... Thats a 42 point reduction in Health. This was also after 2 5 point Health Regen ticks. 1 right after Pic 0108 was shot that put my Health at 3030 and 1 right before this pick that put my Health to 2983 from 2978. That's 10 points added to the 42 reduction shown by pics that gives 52 (guessing hidden Dec. in there somewhere).
Now, even if you take those 2 Regen Ticks off (since they do not show in the pics). There is a 42 point Reduction to Health from a hit that SHOULD have only reduced it by 29 points. 42 is closer to 53 than 29........Plus, where did the extra 13 point Health reduction come from without showing any damage in the Combat Log. No change in Log between those 2 pics. And the 2 (Original Pic Files) have a Creation time 2 seconds apart.
I converted them to GIF for smaller file size for viewing....
DoritosNVodka
Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:46 pm
#19
TY.. One of these days I'm going to remember this forum does not auto convert URL's to Clickies 
Moge_Tira_Tru
Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:35 pm
#20
DoritosNVodka wrote:2 ScreenShots that show that Armor Reduction is NOT included in what value is removed from your Health AND that something is wrong with the code since I GET Health from being hit sometimes....http://www.tdknet.com/n2tdk/screenShot0108.gif0108 shows the Hit in the Combat Log but there is a second or 2 delay before it is removed from your Character Health. If you notice my Health is 3025/3000 Before being hit for 53 points (which 24 was supposed to be blocked by armor). The 3025 Health was from a previous hit that added to my Health.http://www.tdknet.com/n2tdk/screenShot0109.gif0109 show my Health is now 2983... Thats a 42 point reduction in Health. This was also after 2 5 point Health Regen ticks. 1 right after Pic 0108 was shot that put my Health at 3030 and 1 right before this pick that put my Health to 2983 from 2978. That's 10 points added to the 42 reduction shown by pics that gives 52 (guessing hidden Dec. in there somewhere).Now, even if you take those 2 Regen Ticks off (since they do not show in the pics). There is a 42 point Reduction to Health from a hit that SHOULD have only reduced it by 29 points. 42 is closer to 53 than 29........Plus, where did the extra 13 point Health reduction come from without showing any damage in the Combat Log. No change in Log between those 2 pics. And the 2 (Original Pic Files) have a Creation time 2 seconds apart.I converted them to GIF for smaller file size for viewing....
nice findings. Ive also noticed that when I PVP some of my hits will ADD Health rather than take it way from my target (player). Please post these screenies and info on the TC Bug thread as it is very good info.
Kesslan
Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:54 pm
#21
Wow and this crap is supposed to go live in what? 2, maybe 3 weeks?
DoritosNVodka
Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:27 pm
#22
Like I said.. I /bugged the Armro Reduction not working correctly already (few days ago and again with each patch).
The Damage Adding to your Health, not taking away from. I have NOT /bugged yet. Since I just noticed this starting today (for some reason). Still want to do some testing to see if it's specific to an armor type or attack type.
The Armor Reduction in Damage not being used when it applies the damage to your Health. After I 1st noticed it. I went and tested it for ALL Armor types and Combat Skill types. Just to make sure it was not a specific issue with a Skill Set or Armor Type. Findings were that this happens for ALL Armor and ALL Skill Sets. Even TKA "Natural" Armor. After checking it all, then I /bugged it...
As for the Random Damage Adding to your Health. So far findings are random with everything. I have not found a common cause yet. But, not 100% done testing it all out yet.
I hate posting Bugs in the Bug Thread.. Mainly because it is full with the repeating of the exact same bugs, people complaining and other junk. It's impossible to make sure your post is seen. The /bug command in-game seems like it is easier for the Dev's and Rep's to track.
DoritosNVodka
Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:05 pm
#23
ZionHalcyon wrote:
You know, I am beginning to wonder if armor is bugged right now, and the reason it seems to matter very little in PVE is that something is actually broken...
Might be worth investigating.
The bigger question here is the people that say it "DOES" make a difference in PvE. With this bug it tells me those people that came to this conclusion are basing their opinions on inaccurate data. They test with armor on only and NOT without any armor. So, how could they know ?
Either way... With or Without armor, tryng to go after anything 5+ Levels over you equals Death. Since that big of a Level difference means you are taking damage that is too high for armor to make a difference in the calculations. You either Die after getting hit 4 times, or 8. Either way you look at it, you die before you can kill your attacker. Maybe against stuff that is your Level or only a couple of Levels higher, armor will help a little in that situation. But, when it comes down to it, it is not REALLY needed. So, benefit against cost means the average player will not buy armor for PvE. Since the outcome is predetermined (pretty much) by the Level Difference.
NiBorg
Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:11 pm
#24
I just wonder if the fact the damage is in fact not being removed from the attacks and at times adds to your health due to the bugs that the armor should actually be worth something once they fix the problems. In that case I could see it helping a lot in battles 5-10 levels above you.
DoritosNVodka
Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:08 pm
#25
OK, I REALLY need to astop looking into this. The more I look, the more bugs I find....
It's seems Armor Reduction NOT being taken out of Damage Calculation AND Damage being Added to Health are actually part of the Same Bug.....
I have found 3 Bugs now.. All linked to these 2 things.
Seems there are 3 cases here...
1. Combat Log shows a Hit. Number overhead indicates -MISS-.
Armor Reduction amount is Added to Health, nothing taken away and Regen ticks up and up. At one point I was able to get my Health to tick up to 3104 (not in combat). Then 2 phantom hits (nothing in logs, nothing attacking me) ticked my Health down to 3000.
2. Combat Log shows a Hit. Number overhead indicates Hit for full Damage.
Armor Reduction is ADDED to your Health, then (1/2 second) full damage is taken away. This MIGHT be what they intended, who knows.. But, the math works out in the end here.
3. Combat Log shows a -MISS-. Number overhead indicates Hit for Full Damage.
Full Damage Amount is taken away from Health (armor reduction NOT calculated)
4. Combat Log shows a -MISS-. Number overhead indicates a -MISS-
Nothing added or taken away from Health. This works fine.
That's it....The 3 Possible Combat Log and Overhead Damage result combinationsis what is causing the variation I've been seeing. Depending on which case happens for each attack, that determines what happens to your Health. All point to a Bug in the Code with the Combat Log and Overhead display.
Yezabel
Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:21 pm
#26
My most recente test.
My combat lvl is 80 (top)
I fought a stormie lvl 25
Each time he hit me was for 51-53 points (ejem!) both with or without armor.
I also noticed that random add of health to my health.
My combat lvl is 80 (top)
I fought a stormie lvl 25
Each time he hit me was for 51-53 points (ejem!) both with or without armor.
I also noticed that random add of health to my health.