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Thread: ENOUGH. Lets get back on track. How can we make the CURB AS better?
Rancor418
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:39 am
#14
Do you have to put everyone down that does not agree with you??
ZionHalcyon wrote:
JangoFett100 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:Look, I know I have rubbed many people the wrong way. I know part of that is my fault (frustration after living though a similar experience with Creature Handler back in the day), and part of it is me dealing with people who haven't cooled down yet.You ruined this for yourself before you began by pointing the blame for previous problems on others, and a statement about CH that makes no sense. The creature handlers didn't speak up enough and got nerfed to hell and back. Soeither you were a whiner then, or you told everyone to keep with the program and that failed.I am telling you this for the good of the AS community. Please keep your comments, suggestions and this feeling that you are our leader to a minumum. We can move forward, and I agree with you that we need to. But you are currently not the one anyone will be looking to follow at the moment. Please don't take that the wrong way, but the ones you have frustrated over the last week aren't going to suddenly come to think of you as our leader.Reading is a skill. If you read the green, you will see I spread equal blame around, myself included.
Get back on topic please.
Message Edited by Rancor418 on 04-15-2005 09:39 AM
TheCapn2000
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:42 am
#15
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Look, I know I have rubbed many people the wrong way. behind us - we can begin to see a bright future ahead.
You made your bed...now you have to sleep in it...
Message Edited by TheCapn2000 on 04-15-2005 07:44 AM
bostonbaka
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:43 am
#16
Rancor418 wrote:
Do you have to put everyone down that does not agree with you??
ZionHalcyon wrote:
JangoFett100 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Look, I know I have rubbed many people the wrong way. I know part of that is my fault (frustration after living though a similar experience with Creature Handler back in the day), and part of it is me dealing with people who haven't cooled down yet.
You ruined this for yourself before you began by pointing the blame for previous problems on others, and a statement about CH that makes no sense. The creature handlers didn't speak up enough and got nerfed to hell and back. Soeither you were a whiner then, or you told everyone to keep with the program and that failed.
I am telling you this for the good of the AS community. Please keep your comments, suggestions and this feeling that you are our leader to a minumum. We can move forward, and I agree with you that we need to. But you are currently not the one anyone will be looking to follow at the moment. Please don't take that the wrong way, but the ones you have frustrated over the last week aren't going to suddenly come to think of you as our leader.
Reading is a skill. If you read the green, you will see I spread equal blame around, myself included.
Get back on topic please.
Message Edited by Rancor418 on 04-15-2005 09:39 AM
Yes he does and if you insult him he will report you.
AndJusticeForAll
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:44 am
#18
Id much prefer to be told to my face that Im going to be screwed than all thiscloak and dagger crap.... blix swings by once a week and remarks on some small portion of our concerns.
EDIT:
Ill change my opinion slightly. We DO get some information from blix, its just not enough nor frequent. The week before last he posted everyother day. nothing for the past 2 days though. :/
Message Edited by AndJusticeForAll on 04-15-2005 09:53 AM
droidroid
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:46 am
#19
Question: How can we make the CURB AS better?
Answer: You can't.
Across every profession, SOE has made it clear that they're going to do what they damn well please, no matter what feedback is given. Look around at just about every forum here.
- Ittov, retired Shadowfire MAS (see my old account, DirthNader, if you want my post history as an MAS)
Grendelwyf
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:46 am
#20
well i for one, and i think the most of the AS community in general, are not ready to just bend over and take what the devs want to give us, like you seem to be. we've got 2.5 to 3 weeks before this goes live, and we need to make ourselves heard and make sure our issues get addressed.
i will not work under your "assumptions" because they are just that. there is no reason to just sit back and accept our fate. i would much rather spend the remaining time trying to get their current system fixed, and if that doesn't happen and it goes to live as is, then we can deal with the hand we are dealt. as it is now, none of the stuff on TC is final and none of it has made it to live. we still have time, short as it may be, to get things changed to better suit ourselves.
if you wanna play catcher to SOE's pitcher, be my guest, but dont expect the rest of us to line up next to you.
JangoFett100
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:46 am
#21
ZionHalcyon wrote:
JangoFett100 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Look, I know I have rubbed many people the wrong way. I know part of that is my fault (frustration after living though a similar experience with Creature Handler back in the day), and part of it is me dealing with people who haven't cooled down yet.
You ruined this for yourself before you began by pointing the blame for previous problems on others, and a statement about CH that makes no sense. The creature handlers didn't speak up enough and got nerfed to hell and back. Soeither you were a whiner then, or you told everyone to keep with the program and that failed.
I am telling you this for the good of the AS community. Please keep your comments, suggestions and this feeling that you are our leader to a minumum. We can move forward, and I agree with you that we need to. But you are currently not the one anyone will be looking to follow at the moment. Please don't take that the wrong way, but the ones you have frustrated over the last week aren't going to suddenly come to think of you as our leader.
Reading is a skill. If you read the green, you will see I spread equal blame around, myself included.
Get back on topic please.
You are unbelieveable. My reading is fine. I commented on the green part too. I doubt you read all of my comments. But just cause you put some blame on yourself doesn't mean we suddenly forgive you. You have now alienated yet another armorsmith. Good job.
JangoFett100
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:48 am
#22
And more to my point... If you stop posting and angering the entire forum, then we will have a better chance of moving on and getting things solved.
You need to realize you are more of a hinderance than help right now.
ZionHalcyon
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:49 am
#23
IF every insult I have said is wrong, then why is it ok for you to hurl them, people? 
Moreso, I keep putting constructive threads like this out there to give the community the benefit of the doubt - to say "ok, maybe this time, they will come in, and get together, and we can come up with some things that work"
And yet every time, the threads either drop like a rock or turn into a troll session. Even the ones where I just ask for brainstorming, and put forth no ideas of my own (so you can't blame it on my opinions sinking the thread). Further, in those threads, I do my best to not insult anyone (I did get a dig in here, and I apologize), so that isn't it either.
I keep putting something out, hoping the community will bring its creativity to the table, and yet what I get are mostly people who just want to take cheap shots or ignore any thread that isn't bashing someone.
And to further illustrate the point, it isn't with just my posts - it is with other posts that are intelligent, well-thought out, and looking for an intelligent consensus. So even if you want to try to blame it on dislike for me, that excuse doesn't wash either.
So with all that, what the heck am I supposed to think of this community?
It is precisely for the above reasons that I get frustrated, get combatitve, and get defensive. Because too few seem capable of sitting down and rationally talking things out. And when you disagree, they call you names. Hey, I got dragged down into that too, I will admit it.
But excuse me for trying to break the cycle and start something positive. I am just looking for some people to go along for the ride, and contribute something meaningful.
ZionHalcyon
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:51 am
#24
JangoFett100 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
JangoFett100 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Look, I know I have rubbed many people the wrong way. I know part of that is my fault (frustration after living though a similar experience with Creature Handler back in the day), and part of it is me dealing with people who haven't cooled down yet.
You ruined this for yourself before you began by pointing the blame for previous problems on others, and a statement about CH that makes no sense. The creature handlers didn't speak up enough and got nerfed to hell and back. Soeither you were a whiner then, or you told everyone to keep with the program and that failed.
I am telling you this for the good of the AS community. Please keep your comments, suggestions and this feeling that you are our leader to a minumum. We can move forward, and I agree with you that we need to. But you are currently not the one anyone will be looking to follow at the moment. Please don't take that the wrong way, but the ones you have frustrated over the last week aren't going to suddenly come to think of you as our leader.
Reading is a skill. If you read the green, you will see I spread equal blame around, myself included.
Get back on topic please.
You are unbelieveable. My reading is fine. I commented on the green part too. I doubt you read all of my comments. But just cause you put some blame on yourself doesn't mean we suddenly forgive you. You have now alienated yet another armorsmith. Good job.
No, your reading is not fine. I am not trying to lead anyone, nor have I ever declared myself a leader. YOU put those words in my mouth. I am just a smith trying to put forth something positive in a forum of negativity.
And yes, I am aware my diplomatic skills need work - its a work in progress. 
Ham-Jo
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:54 am
#25
How about you work on them in a forum that possibly your not disliked in. Might work better for you.
Basically what everyone is saying....is IF you truely knew what was right to do....or knew what the community needed....then you wouldnt start threads that make you APPEAR to try to put your self on that pedestal. No one said you were a leader....they were insuing that your are ACTING like it inappropriately.
Rancor418
Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:57 am
#26
Another slap in his face...You saying he can not read...Stop it already.
ZionHalcyon wrote:
JangoFett100 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
JangoFett100 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Look, I know I have rubbed many people the wrong way. I know part of that is my fault (frustration after living though a similar experience with Creature Handler back in the day), and part of it is me dealing with people who haven't cooled down yet.
You ruined this for yourself before you began by pointing the blame for previous problems on others, and a statement about CH that makes no sense. The creature handlers didn't speak up enough and got nerfed to hell and back. Soeither you were a whiner then, or you told everyone to keep with the program and that failed.
I am telling you this for the good of the AS community. Please keep your comments, suggestions and this feeling that you are our leader to a minumum. We can move forward, and I agree with you that we need to. But you are currently not the one anyone will be looking to follow at the moment. Please don't take that the wrong way, but the ones you have frustrated over the last week aren't going to suddenly come to think of you as our leader.
Reading is a skill. If you read the green, you will see I spread equal blame around, myself included.
Get back on topic please.
You are unbelieveable. My reading is fine. I commented on the green part too. I doubt you read all of my comments. But just cause you put some blame on yourself doesn't mean we suddenly forgive you. You have now alienated yet another armorsmith. Good job.
No, your reading is not fine. I am not trying to lead anyone, nor have I ever declared myself a leader. YOU put those words in my mouth. I am just a smith trying to put forth something positive in a forum of negativity.
And yes, I am aware my diplomatic skills need work - its a work in progress.