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Thread: Why won't DEV's change the way UBESE convert

Keeper32
Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:28 pm
#14

I don't think there IS anything he can do about it.


The code that handles conversion is based on a "simple" formula for setting a base reistance vs. the new system.


Can you even fathom the amount of coding it would take for it to include special protections and say that "this means that, oh and if you have this too then add that, and if this isn't usable, add it here instead".


With the layering possibities in armor as it is now, it is just not plausable to convert a piece of armor based on all the variences possible.


Weapons are easier as they all have fixed values (speed, dmg etc.). We on the other hand can take any mid-high end armor and give it whatever resistance we want. Even give it some it doesn't have (vulnerabilities).


Even if they tried doing it, it would take ages for the conversion to be fixed proper I would think.



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CaileSathinor
Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:20 am
#15

Just going by my sales (and I'm in by no means a small traffic area) 300 suits is a LOT of surplus. But then again, thats from my experience.



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BigfootKC
Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:44 am
#16

heh i made 10 suits tops, but then i made everything by hand for the force xp... i made a 49% base ubese suit /flex 30 kin too



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Garnax
Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:45 am
#17

Back in my heyday (pre-JTLS autumn last year) I sold probably 50-60 suits a week, comp that is. Ubese lasted longer a run. I have saved all my vendor mail and am using SWG Vendor Sales Manager so I suppose I could check some real statistics, but that'd be too much work when there really isn't much to discuss anyway. Everything is relative.



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destrkta
Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:52 am
#18

hmm ubese wasn't the best pre curb so why would it be the best post curb, true it was the best ubese but it should be based on teh overall picture best overall.




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Pahaddino
Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:16 am
#19






Skywalker123 wrote:





Vastar wrote:




Skywalker123 wrote:





Vastar wrote:
Why doesn't the Correspondent care? Do you recall where you saw that? I'm not saying it would surprise me, I just like to come in every so often to make sure I'm still screwed.





Yea he said in the PM he sent back to me. You want me to post the PM?







Well, directing his attention here wouldn't hurt, for sure.




When I PM the Corr this is the reply I got:


Conversion only goes by base stats. so, to be honest, you're screwed. There's nothing I can do about it, to be honest. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it's the best answer I can give.

-C


Now I really Don't want my Corr to tell me I'm screwed before he even presents the idea to the DEV. Hmm I wonder if it would be different if HE has 300 Ubese suits sitting one a vendor. Maybe then our Corr would go to bat for the idea.







You got the answer and you are still pissed. Don't blame other people for something they have no control of.


Your post will end up to one thing :


-Correspondent will be more and more reluctant to answer PMs because if everybody just dispatch it out of context, it makes them look what they are not. (and to be honnest, here,it was a good reply, so that you can take your disposition in advance to avoid getting crap, an answer in the like: "it is gonna change", and it changes not would hurt MUCH MORE!)


People should learn respect.


JangoFett100
Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:38 am
#20






CaileSathinor wrote:
Just going by my sales (and I'm in by no means a small traffic area) 300 suits is a LOT of surplus. But then again, thats from my experience.





I don't think it's fair to judge what is a good amount of surplus. We all base it on our sales and how far in advance we want to plan. I can say with 100% confidence that my continued playing of SWG is directly tied to how well my current stock of composite converts in comparison to what can be crafted post CU.


On another note, we're all in this same boat, and all a little cranky. So let's try to be a little nicer to each other. Except Zion of course.



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CaileSathinor
Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:49 am
#21

Yeah, I admit, I was quite hot over being told I don't care when I took the time to ask and respond to a PM...



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Garnax
Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:42 am
#22

Another issue with conversion is condition. All armor except composite will have awful condition compared to newly crafted stuff, since all new armor gets very high condition. The bone armor I made a few days ago had around 9k condition, which is great for bone, but awful compared to post-CU bone armor.



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Skywalker123
Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:12 am
#23






CaileSathinor wrote:
I actually *DID* ask about it. There's nothing that I can personally do except ask the question. Quit blaming me for reporting an answer that you don't like. You're starting to irritate me which ISN'T easy to do. I care about the issue, so I can do 1 of two things:

1) I can waste time on a single issue that one person is screaming about because they took the risk of overstocking (don't tell me 300 suits of ubese isn't overstocking) and now it's coming back to bite them, or

2) I can can concentrate on other issues, like how to make sure we don't get shafted on item conversions (a.k.a. crated things such as layers, segments, etc) and resources and make things better in the long run.

From a business standpoint, you took the risk of running 300 suits. To me, 300 is an ungodly horrible amount of surplus. That isn't my fault in the least.

Don't EVER accuse me of not caring. I didn't have to take the time to respond to your PM (which was quite hostile to me in the first place) but I did.

To the rest of you, I apologize for the incredibly angry tone of this post, but Mr. Skywalker pushed every wrong button tonight.




Here is the PM I sent you:


Caile can you please ask why they won't change the way armor is converted. They say that good armor now will be good armor after the CU, but that is NOT the case with Ubese. Since 99.9% of the Ubese is make Kin maxed and very low base Great Ubese now converts to sh!t after the CU. I personally have 300 suits that I don't want to lose and no dev will answer why they won't change it. They can sure break weapons down by type to convert them why can't they do the same with armor. Thanks


This is the EXACT PM I sent to you!! PLEASE point out WHERE this is hostile?? Where is it cause I'm wondering?? I brought up a F*&$ing concern to my Corr. and he blew me off. Now tell me HOW did you talk to the DEV about this when you sent a reply less than 10 min after I sent this to you? I didn't know they let you call them at home and ask them question. I express a concern to you, obviouly you have your own agenda and talk to the DEV's about things that concern you or as we saw here they don't get asked. And as for how many suit I make, I think thats a personal preference. Sorry I'm in Law School so I have alot of time to play during the year but I didn't want my customers to find empty vendors. Plus within the last 6 months I've probably sold 1,000 Ubese suits so I do it off my NEED not on what you think I should be doing.


Oh and BY the way I may be one person asking about this issue now but after the CU wait to see how many of our customers come complaining to us that their Ubese converted to crap. Just wait and see, I posted long ago how the Bio link cost was too high and all I got was flamed by you all. Then when you saw how high it was you all started compaining yourselfs. Just as what I said would happen there it will happen here too you will see in 1 1/2 weeks.





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CaileSathinor
Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:34 am
#24

Because you weren't the first person to ask me privately about the issue. That's how I had an answer already for you. Your issue has been noted, look at item #4 on the top 10.



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Mought1971
Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:15 am
#25






Skywalker123 wrote:



Caile can you please ask why they won't change the way armor is converted. They say that good armor now will be good armor after the CU, but that is NOT the case with Ubese. Since 99.9% of the Ubese is make Kin maxed and very low base Great Ubese now converts to sh!t after the CU. I personally have 300 suits that I don't want to lose and no dev will answer why they won't change it. They can sure break weapons down by type to convert them why can't they do the same with armor. Thanks





It's been stated before, but I think part of the reason the stats are worse istheywanted toprevent people making a bunch of armor (with less resources, even) before the CU, then sell it after the CU for the post-CU price.
Skywalker123
Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:19 am
#26






Mought1971 wrote:





Skywalker123 wrote:



Caile can you please ask why they won't change the way armor is converted. They say that good armor now will be good armor after the CU, but that is NOT the case with Ubese. Since 99.9% of the Ubese is make Kin maxed and very low base Great Ubese now converts to sh!t after the CU. I personally have 300 suits that I don't want to lose and no dev will answer why they won't change it. They can sure break weapons down by type to convert them why can't they do the same with armor. Thanks






It's been stated before, but I think part of the reason the stats are worse istheywanted toprevent people making a bunch of armor (with less resources, even) before the CU, then sell it after the CU for the post-CU price.




Mought that isn't want I'm concerned about. If the stats aren't as good as the Post-CU crafted items thats fine. But the whole conversion process goes off of the Base stats and doesn't look at the specials. And we all know that Ubese is going to suck in the Base stat because all the point are put into Kin. So with the conversion it make Ubese worthless. That is what I am hoping will be fixed.




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