Armorsmith Archive

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DeQuosaek wrote:

Eh, armor that blocks 80% ofmost types of damage isn't overpowered? I play a smith in SWG (on my alt) and I disagree. 80% armor is simply too strong. And the buffs were too.

I'm not sure I agree 100% with the way they sort of dumbed down armor crafting, butthe resistancesdefinitely needed to be brought down a notch. People will still want it and you can still craft it. They're not trying to edge you out of the game. Players who spent their time and money making armor can continue to do so, only now there are many more types to make (that will actually sell) instead of simply different types of composite.

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CharPrime wrote:

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DeQuosaek wrote:

Eh, armor that blocks 80% ofmost types of damage isn't overpowered? I play a smith in SWG (on my alt) and I disagree. 80% armor is simply too strong. And the buffs were too.

I'm not sure I agree 100% with the way they sort of dumbed down armor crafting, butthe resistancesdefinitely needed to be brought down a notch. People will still want it and you can still craft it. They're not trying to edge you out of the game. Players who spent their time and money making armor can continue to do so, only now there are many more types to make (that will actually sell) instead of simply different types of composite.

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80% everything armor its useable with buffs and food. right now fully buffed, food, 90% armor range 3 mig and melee 3 mig you are all powerful. all the devs can do is add more resist and ham to a mob, or give them dizzy/kd and the undefendable force choke. people just have to outlast them.

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How is that different than making armor resist less? Your armor will still be just as useful, it just won't block an unreasonable amount of damage. 80% is unreasonable. I would rather not have mobs with HAM that is many times what we have to balance it out. They could just give the mobs the same type of armor as the players... It doesn't really matter whether you think it was buffs, brandy, armor or what. It was all out of whack.

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HairlessWook wrote:

No I dont remeber what P vs E was like...I'm new. However, U have all made very valid points. I have noticed these inherent supernatural flaws since about the 5th day of playing. Buffs need to be adjusted down and one should not be able to stack brandy effects. The other day on Dantooine I was buff'd, I stacked Brandy and UnarmedCombo 2 was only draining 2 pts from mind pool...makes it to easy, I was taking on packs of Voritor trackers and only wearing Wook ceremonial armor.

You know what the real problem is player self-regulation. If people weren't whoring out uber buffs, armor etc. there would be no reason to revamp.

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Uber is really the result of a series of things;

1. Buffs
2. Uber Armor via resource hoarding
3. Uber weapons via resource hoarding
4. Imbalanced new weapons
5. Overly simplistic cert system

and #6, and most importantly, the impossible pressure that players put onto crafters to make the best. They set up a game where making average components was unprofitable, but making the best was lucrative. Naturally, everyone chased after the big bucks and here we are.

The devs simply underestimated the crafting base's ingenuity in working out maximized products.

I disagree the mitigation was a big factor in combat uberness. It was a small factor, but nothing like 80% armor and +2000 buffs.

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VemaGara wrote:
Uber is really the result of a series of things;

1. Buffs
2. Uber Armor via resource hoarding
3. Uber weapons via resource hoarding
4. Imbalanced new weapons
5. Overly simplistic cert system

and #6, and most importantly, the impossible pressure that players put onto crafters to make the best. They set up a game where making average components was unprofitable, but making the best was lucrative. Naturally, everyone chased after the big bucks and here we are.

The devs simply underestimated the crafting base's ingenuity in working out maximized products.

I disagree the mitigation was a big factor in combat uberness. It was a small factor, but nothing like 80% armor and +2000 buffs.

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Tanking a krayt without melee migitation is a hard task even with 80% kin comp and uber buffs. For swordsman it is often what kept you alive long enough to do it

I don't remember armor, I've always been a wookiee. A BH wookiee. When NPC's did specials. Before we had armor. Before buffs were worthwhile. Before vehicles, walking across whole planets to get your mark. With the weapons we used to have near release (think half, or less of what you have now)........LOL

Nothing says "@(#*" Like walking to the oppisite side of lok, and being one-shotted by a 4k damage special from a 10k ham, 80% resist, medium armor demon strait from the depths of hell. While unbuffed, unarmored, and only some tat sunburn, fishtak (sp?) surprise, and some nuron pixie to help me stay alive.

To be honest, it was more fun to lose sometimes.

To put the blame soely on mitigation/toughness or soely on buffs or soely on armor is ignorant. It's not one of those that brought imbalance, it was the culmination of all of them. I do remember what made player uber in PvE, it was armor combined with mitigation and toughness combined with buffs.

Your krayt example is flawed because you are giving the impression that it's the toughness that is doing all the work. If you send an unarmored, buffed TKA against a krayt dragon, he won't last more than 20 seconds. However, even you said that an armored, buffed crafter, who lacks toughness can last 5-7 minutes against a krayt. If you ask me, that makes the armor more overpowered than the toughness. Combine the fact that armor (CURRENTLY) can be worn by anyone who has buffs, it just makes it that much better.

Again, it's when you combine all 3 on one player that you get the players with god-mode in PvE. However, armor has the biggest effect.

Message Edited by Teioh on 04-10-2005 03:48 PM