Armorsmith Archive
Thread: New wookie armor- resource requirements
sej
Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:04 pm
#183
Ooblack wrote:
when you think about it, there is no way that they can give wookies a new armor and not end up with either gimped or uber wookies. They are going to err on the side of making wookies slightly weaker, because they don't want to end up with wookies dominating all. The only way they could make it "fair" would be tomake ALL species "bread and butter" with human stats, and make composite with all the exact same stats and resource requirements and a different skin thats wearable by wookies.
so why all the complaining about fairness? in my mind, if you choose to play a wookie, its with the realisation that they are a unique race and they will not be able to wear the same stuff as the other races. This is part of the star wars universe and there is no way that the devs can make wookies on equal footing without drastically changing the star wars theme.
personally, I think it would work just fine to have the new wookie armor be exactly the same as comp but with a different skin, because a species that has higher HAM than any other shouldn't get a lower encum armor.
Do you define your "uber" wookie as the wookie who has 2% advantage over other races when you take into account buffs? 2%
I think even if you did give wookies composite armor, or armor as good as composite the fact that they cant migrate their stats all to mind like a Human can balances it out.
Not to mention that this new armor still doesnt give total coverage.
DarthGhaleon
Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:50 pm
#184
jamesgoddard wrote:
I'd just like to comment on the encumbrance. I do in fact play a wookiee. Our stamina can up to a max of a WHOOPING 500. Constitution, 550.
I know that most humans put everything into mind and leave everything else at base. However you CAN wear composite armor without buffs if you wanted to. There is simply NO WAY we can. You want to UP the encumbrance? If so we need to migrate our stats better.
umm, what planet are you on? So what if you can only up your stat's to 500, with the low HAM on your shiny new armor that's not going to be an issue.... It's us humans who are gimped on this one.
How exactly are humans gimped again? Funny....wookiees actually get something worth a **edit** and immediately people start crying nerf the Wookiees!
Jordan_Karr
Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:53 pm
#185
Humans Are not Gimped or loosing out on this one!!!
Humans are better off than any other race out there...
Most Humans drop most everything from their secondaries and Bump it all to mind pool
At least the smart ones do... buffs fix the problem of low secondariesany how... so its not a big deal to set a humans secondaries at 300 and in the world of 2300 to 3k buffs its not impossable to get your secondaires so High that your not hurting from it... so lets see 300+2600=2900-900 for composite armor= 2000 and you only need 1700 to regen faster than the PVE mobs can hurt you...
because then your mind pool is like 1200 with 800 to 1000+secondarymental stats, at theast thats how I have two other human characters set up on other servers... Low Physicals and Super high mentals.. because I know a buff can fix my low physicals... Tack in the use of foods and mind buffs a humans mind pool can reach 3k with ease..
a wookiees Cap is 500 and 600 on their mental secondaries...
I advocated on all the threads for the changing of the schematic to using metals in both the segments and the armor witch would increase the over all HAM cost because most High quality metals have low MAL stats.. witch is why you see composite with an average of 650 to 900 for the heavy stuff...
Its SOEs choice that wookiees should use organics that almost always spawn with high end Mal stats, and used metals and resouces that tend to also spawn with high end MAL stats or middle of the road... so its SOE's falut for not thinking about the HAMs and their Decision to use 90% organics with Higher than average MAL Stats.. hence the armor is going to be light weight with equal protection...
Also I know many a human who can wear a middle of the road suit of every day armor with out buffs because they migrated their stats correctly and did not just dump it all into mind... and their suits where encumberance sliced not just effectivness sliced...
So if you think your gimped then I am sorry maybe you should move on to a diffrent game... because I sure dont see humans as being gimped at all... Plus their high end armor is already at its peak, its going to take at least 3 to 4 months just to get the wookiee armors to get near that using the "Organic Resouces"
So a wookiee is about to actully become a challenge to fight... well I say about time...
sej
Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:24 pm
#186
Lets not lose focus and turn this into WooKi3s ar eteh sxu! thread ....
Anyway, anyone on TC know what the black mountain armor is like? What kind of base effectiveness/special effectiveness it has? If it has any use at all as a less costly version of hunting armor? It seems to me like its just as hard to make as the hunting armor without the option of 3 layers...
And id also like to know if its worth harvesting OQ 20 SR 50 evergreen woods (yes both dathomarian andyavinian evergreen is this bad on my server):E I know someone said they could hit pretty decent resists with "CRAP" resources, but did he mean this bad?
RaizerMakham
Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:13 pm
#187
Well I just ran off 20 sets of the new Black Mountain Armor. Final stats were 71 kinetic/30 base, 23k condition with pretty nice ham (don't have the stats atm but can wear all my sets unbuffed).
Mountain is a bit easier to make than Hunting, which seems more dependent on resource quality. And trust me, a lot of my creature resources are really poor atm, as are the recent spawns of dath, yav and endor wood.
Will try to post screenshots once I finish the Hunting tomorrow.
I can tell you my layers for each: (kin/base/ham)
Mountain 8/1/8 kinetic layers
Hunting: 4/4/10 Kinetic layers
Morik has much better layers with 4/4/7 he uses for the Hunting.
So 2 of the Mountain layers per schematic and 3 of the Hunting layers per schematic.
For the Mountain you max the special resist line then drop into quality.
For the Hunting you max the quality and dump the rest into durability.
My first tries on Hunting with the above layers and new segments: 74 kinetic/55 base with 36k Condition
Grawrr
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Mountain is a bit easier to make than Hunting, which seems more dependent on resource quality. And trust me, a lot of my creature resources are really poor atm, as are the recent spawns of dath, yav and endor wood.
Will try to post screenshots once I finish the Hunting tomorrow.
I can tell you my layers for each: (kin/base/ham)
Mountain 8/1/8 kinetic layers
Hunting: 4/4/10 Kinetic layers
Morik has much better layers with 4/4/7 he uses for the Hunting.
So 2 of the Mountain layers per schematic and 3 of the Hunting layers per schematic.
For the Mountain you max the special resist line then drop into quality.
For the Hunting you max the quality and dump the rest into durability.
My first tries on Hunting with the above layers and new segments: 74 kinetic/55 base with 36k Condition
Grawrr
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Liberty
Sky Stone
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Jordan_Karr
Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:27 pm
#188
Well its done... I have all the resouces for the wookiee hunting armor for when it goes live... I just worked my tail end off for the last few days...
Now granted some of the resouces are not that great, but I should be able to make a small run of the segments and play around abit and see what I can make...
But I wont commit any resouces to this armor until I can get better Dath Evergreen wood (1165 is the total of all the important stats added together) and some better Dant Avian bone... but my guild and I did well tonight took us mayber an hour and a half of killing voraitors on Lagtooine to get around 21k+ of the stuff...CL 77missions pay out nicely and when you have 2 rangers and 2 scouts going at it gathers up fast...
The Tat wooly is also needing to be replaced... so I figure it will be at least a week or two before I start commiting the resouces to the armor...
If the armor segments come out looking ok I might make a few suits one for display and a few to pay off few of the wookiees who supplied me with some resouces free of charge...
Message Edited by Jordan_Karr on 07-24-2004 10:28 PM
PsionicHawk
Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:16 am
#189
I'd just like to comment on the encumbrance. I do in fact play a wookiee. Our stamina can up to a max of a WHOOPING 500. Constitution, 550.
I know that most humans put everything into mind and leave everything else at base. However you CAN wear composite armor without buffs if you wanted to. There is simply NO WAY we can. You want to UP the encumbrance? If so we need to migrate our stats better.
Just thought I should point this out.
People crying nerf the wookiee?
I have a responce for that
/wookieeroar
Asir_SWG
Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:32 am
#190
I'd just like to comment on the encumbrance. I do in fact play a wookiee. Our stamina can up to a max of a WHOOPING 500. Constitution, 550.
I know that most humans put everything into mind and leave everything else at base. However you CAN wear composite armor without buffs if you wanted to. There is simply NO WAY we can. You want to UP the encumbrance? If so we need to migrate our stats better.
umm, what planet are you on? So what if you can only up your stat's to 500, with the low HAM on your shiny new armor that's not going to be an issue.... It's us humans who are gimped on this one.
iceman1911
Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:35 pm
#191
Nice work I will be headed out tonight in search for all the materials needed.
Jordan_Karr wrote:
Well its done... I have all the resouces for the wookiee hunting armor for when it goes live... I just worked my tail end off for the last few days...
Now granted some of the resouces are not that great, but I should be able to make a small run of the segments and play around abit and see what I can make...
But I wont commit any resouces to this armor until I can get better Dath Evergreen wood (1165 is the total of all the important stats added together) and some better Dant Avian bone... but my guild and I did well tonight took us mayber an hour and a half of killing voraitors on Lagtooine to get around 21k+ of the stuff...CL 77missions pay out nicely and when you have 2 rangers and 2 scouts going at it gathers up fast...
The Tat wooly is also needing to be replaced... so I figure it will be at least a week or two before I start commiting the resouces to the armor...
If the armor segments come out looking ok I might make a few suits one for display and a few to pay off few of the wookiees who supplied me with some resouces free of charge...
Message Edited by Jordan_Karr on 07-24-2004 10:28 PM
dhcpSilicon
Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:34 pm
#192
DarkWraith65 wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. This stuff is going to be more expensive then Composite. 6 and 7 different resources? Hundreds of organic reources harvested from animals for 1 chest plate. Who came up with the resource requirements? The Ranger correspondant?
Uh, the Rangers are already overburdened with organics requests due to the hideously underpowered skills we're given to "hunt" with. As both a Ranger and a Wookiee, I find your comment offensive; Rangers always ALWAYS think of the community at large when asking for things, not that we've ever been obliged.
But I do agree that the requirements are ridiculous.
Kershakk
Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:33 pm
#193
jamesgoddard wrote:
I'd just like to comment on the encumbrance. I do in fact play a wookiee. Our stamina can up to a max of a WHOOPING 500. Constitution, 550.
I know that most humans put everything into mind and leave everything else at base. However you CAN wear composite armor without buffs if you wanted to. There is simply NO WAY we can. You want to UP the encumbrance? If so we need to migrate our stats better.
umm, what planet are you on? So what if you can only up your stat's to 500, with the low HAM on your shiny new armor that's not going to be an issue.... It's us humans who are gimped on this one.
*laugh* That's soooo rich. Wookiees have had the raw end of the stick forever and have had to deal with prejudice from all types and all comers since the year dot.
To you, with all due respect, I offer the advice that was so _helpfully_ thrown at us day after day after week after week after month after month.
"You don't like it? Re-roll."
Besides I think you're overreacting anyhow.
jonyank
Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:46 pm
#194
Are any Wanderhome armorsmiths ready to make the Hunting Armor when it goes live (i.e., have all the resources)????
I want some of this stuff as soon as it is in-live.
Also, I am willing to pay extra for armor layered with additional protections.
Ideally, I would like to get suits for PvE (w/ maximum kinetic protection) and for PvP (preferrably with some stun layering).
Please post anticipated prices here and/or in the Wanderhome trade forum and indicate where/when suits will be available and if you are taking reservations.
Thanks!!!
Jordan_Karr
Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:22 pm
#195
The reasonable thing to request from your server armorsmiths is to give them a day even if they have all the resouces... as we need to run some segments the day it goes live as we cant just hand make segements and plop them into the armor... so be polite and give your smith a day or two to produce segments.. also be spairing on your smiths... We can do a lot... in a few hours, but if we say the resouces are junk right now try back in a few days, it means that we dont have quality resouces to be able to get to a good stat range just yet...
Also be willing to help your smith out... If they offer you a deal of go get me 5k of Tat Wooly and I will make you some suits as soon as I get the resources do so... as that helps us a lot more than walking in and sitting in our shop yelling at us that we dont have the armor ready for you...
I already plan to log out the first time some customer gets in my face and says that I Suxs because I dont have top notch armor up and running... Also I plan to put you on /addignore if you get annoying beyond reason.. I highly suspect that the first dozen or so suits will be custom jobs... and that it will take more time to get colors as the hunting looks like it has a broad spectrum of colors...
Cant expect too much first few weeks on a new armor as the resources may not be around to get a good suit in the first week or two..
So it pays to be polite and help out and not get angry with your smith because they are not up to speed the day it goes live...
Also if your smith is charging more than you where expecting and they say that they are charging you a fair price, thats probably true... as these armors are organic intensive and are expensive to aqquire resouces for...
Just some words to live by over the next few days...
Message Edited by Jordan_Karr on 07-26-2004 05:25 PM
Message Edited by Jordan_Karr on 07-26-2004 05:25 PM