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Thread: Faction varriation is way to much *RANT+ideas

JeCy
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:46 am
#1

/rantOn


To make faction prices for armor, (and arguably furnature) is one of the worst things done to the armorer profession. To put the monetary vaule of what everyone has to pay for armor in the hands of a very small select few is total B S. As it is PVP and power gamers set the prices of high end stuff like ADK's, skill tapes, and loot. To also give them the total control of what the average gamer pays for armor is sooo wrong, its rather sicking.


the amount of pvpers per server is only a tiny % of the server population yet they control the costs of one of the main systems of the game, and one that SOE clearly stated they wanted. To see more people in varrious types of armor and to see people in more faction armor, and to get people more involved in the GCW.


the current system of varrying faction prices does nothing for there goals and infact only does more to detract from it. The average person on the server has no desire to pvp or get involved in the GCW. The new rules of tefs and your covert, special forces, and on leave status prove that. the average person wants to log in after a day of work. a few days a week or on weekend, go put on there trooper armor and run some NPC missions with there freinds and pretend they are fighting for the glory of the empire, or perhaps those pesky rebel terrorist.


when it costs nearly 10 million credits my cost plus a smuggler tip to make 30 suits of armor.. its pretty bad. that cost is directly put on the player that wants the faction armor. People ask me all the time why faction armor is soo expensive at time.. or why i dont make it from time to timeand i reply. The imperials are wining atm and i cant justicfy the cost to make it. I wont raise my prices just to sell it, I have my set prices and when the factions skyrockets i just dont make it.. period. I tell combat types all the time well if you win back a planet to lower my costs id be more than happy to. On every occassion i get the same reply.. and this is many times a week. I DONT PVP. Sure i could make imperail amror for lots less, and i do from time to time, but as im one of the few well me and one other that i know of that makes rebel thats what i do.


Having a set cost will do nothing to change the amount of people that get involved in the GCW. You want some prices to flucuate, You should make the bases, and turrets and that sorta stuff, the stuff directly related to the GVW and only that to change. Faction armor has NO EFFECT on this outcome. you can wear normal neutral armor for the exact same purpose and many many do just cause of this simple fact, the very high cost of faction armor.Yes, faction armor should be a perk that you have to earn, But to make it soo one side has nearly a million credit or higher price just to get more into there character is complete B S. Many many servers are rebel dominated, and imps have the higher costs, while on the flip side there are a few like radiant thats imperial dominated. Thats fine i have no problem with that, but your average player should not be subject to these kinds of flucuations.And as stated it does nothing to change the way the GCW turns out.. Im sorry but groups of oposining sides are not going to try to take back a planet just to get lower costs. Belive me ive even made deals with imps and rebels to let the tides change just to get some more faction armor out there, and many inform me of when a planet is going to be taken just soo i can prepare.


Some may argue that well if one side is wining there should be less of that factions supplies, Please spare all that hot air for your silthhorn. you want prices to flucuate?? There are many smugglers, Heres an idea, how about make smuggler missions to get lower costs. Perhaps XX amount of missions are needed to lower costs to the low end cap. WOW smugglers could aucually smuggle !! what a concept im sure not one would complain about that, no matter which side they work for, hutts included. People can now pay a resonable price no matter what side your on, soo now joe average canhave there faction armor and can go off and play pretend with there freinds. 80% of my bussiness is Joe average and im one of the highest volume smiths on our server. The GCW is still effected by war costs (bases and turrets though there should be more reasons to fight that just that.. ohh wait some people find it FUN : P.


Oky ive said enough i have adv cores to go run.. Hmm 7200 kin mauraderanyone?? ohh wait its only 7050 damned Chromite carbonate ore that hasnt spawned in 7 months, that i have to use resource deeds on and still its only 830/50, and my sub par polymere thats only1650 combined /frown ((ohh wait im not here to complain about resources, i acually love the way the resource system works but i can still grumble right?? /evilgrin))


Flame, agree, or add your own ideas how this should be or ideas to change it..


/rantOff



Je'Cy Dax..

Master armorer since launch, serving the radiant galaxie

Message Edited by JeCy on 08-14-2005 02:57 PM

Wolfe26
Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:00 pm
#2

1) Imperials always winning Hardly... I don't know about your server but mine there is ALWAYS atleast one planet Imperials are not winning on and that is where I buy my schemes for my 30% discount.


2) Cost you 10 million for 30 schemes... see strategy discussion making contacts... my last 10 schemes didn't cost me anywhere near 10 million cost didn't even break a million actually =-)


but yet everyone ignored our strategy discussion thread... LOL




Scarelin Deathstalker - Ranger / Rifleman
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Trishanya
Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:27 pm
#3
ok i am a noob in faction.


can someone plz explain how u buy 30suit faction armor schems for 10mil?


i am a MAS on corbantis. i don't fight so only way to get fp is to buy from a smugger. standard rate is 125per in imp fp. i spent 7mil to buy 60k imp fp. each set of imp armor schems cost me more than 60k fp. chest and legs cost 12k fp, all the rest parts cost 6k fp.


ppl say GCW will bring down the schem prices. i had ran over every planets, the cheapest fp cost i found are chest and legs cost 10.5k fp, all the rest parts cost 5.5k fp. anyone tell me what is wrong? is race matter in buying faction items? from what i find i am buying 1 sets imp ST armor schems whose can produces 10 sets of ST armors for 8mil. i find no info. about this in MAS forum or game guild forum.


thz for reading.



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LeviticusD
Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:30 pm
#4
Race does matter if buying imperial schematics. If you are not human you will pay out of your ear for them. For rebel schematics, race does not matter.




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Wolfe26
Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:33 pm
#5
LOL damn... I was going to say I pay no where near that faction cost for schemes but I'm human and a rebel... I supose those are the hazzards of being imperial and one of this disfavored imperial races.



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Trishanya
Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:38 pm
#6

omg


" I'm a zabrak imperial so it's more expensive for me.800ish for the gloves and boots, 3200ish for the bracer, biceps, legs, belt, helmet, and somewhere areound 8Kish for the chestplate. just guesstimates at the moment. Could someone please give me anymore informations in this? I really need to know. "


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=armorsmith&message.id=109398


I am alsoa zabrak imperial. why is he get schem cheaper than i do? would someone plz tell me how do i find out the GCW thing? i ran over all imp recuiters with same fp costs...


thz





vendor in naboo, north of theed -4619 5391
Wolfe26
Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:44 pm
#7




Trishanya wrote:

omg


"I'm a zabrak imperial so it's more expensive for me.800ish for the gloves and boots, 3200ish for the bracer, biceps, legs, belt, helmet, and somewhere areound 8Kish for the chestplate. just guesstimates at the moment. Could someone please give me anymore informations in this? I really need to know. "


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=armorsmith&message.id=109398


I am alsoa zabrak imperial. why is he get schem cheaper than i do? would someone plz tell me how do i find out the GCW thing? i ran over all imp recuiters with same fp costs...


thz







Goto the imperial recruiter ask them how the war effort is going... if it says the imperial have more bases then imperials are winning on this planet and you get your 30% discount on imperial faction cost purchases.



Scarelin Deathstalker - Ranger / Rifleman
Cormo Deathstalker - Master Armorsmith / Weaponsmith/ 11pt Master Artisan
Vendor - Wolfe Inc Armor in Red dawn mall (-413, -4573), Talus
(as soon as you get off the shuttle)
JeCy
Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:36 pm
#8

1, 10 mill for 30 suits.. umm thats at 2.6-2.7 mill for faction cost per set of 10 plus a tip for the smuggler.. or are you to cheap to give them a tip for transfering faction and taking a good 20-30 mins outta there time just to help you. yes thats how long my smuggler ends up spending in travel time, and helping me, plus its there gig and they deserve a tip.


2, at 700k per suit thats nearly half the suits at ZERO profit soo that leaves 15 suits for profit,, to pay for the hunting contracts, resource contracts, and what have you.. thats not as much as one might think.. consitering with the same resoruces ill aucally make more selling NON-faction suits for my normal Non-layer price,, and My layered suits i aucally make even less profit, cause qaud layer is soo expensive i take a bigger hit on my faction costs and acually eat some of the faction suit price just soo people can have more reasonable armor. And to top it off it takes about 2 hours to make all those suits, bag um and put um on vendors,, as aposed to some factory smith pumping out 30 suits of ubese say and making a better profit in 1/4 the time.


3, I dont have time to go out and find tons of reb or imp colnels to transfer faction to me, and I DONT take faction from AFK faction grinders.. id rather pay more and sink credits from the game than promote AFK play. this game needs more money sinks as it is. I also like using smugglers atleast now they have one good use, other than slicing yoru weapons or selling 3 spices. then again most smiths have never played a smuggler soo they wouldnt know.


4, Making money in space is a total crap argument as its a completly different facet of the game and most of the ground game people i know dont like to fly anyway.A ground MMORPG and a SPACE SIM should have nothing to do with each other yet in this game they do to some extent.. and someone always is piping up about making money in space to fund there ground.. Sorry but that arguemnt has zero merit i dont even know why someone would say it.. find you like to fly thats good but you shouldnt have to spend a night flying to buy your ground armor, and just fyi i know tons of people that dont even have JTL and never plan on getting it.. or the wookie expansion (such a disapointment for a new planet I play starwars cause i like the open ended worlds,.. I quit EQ2 after 1 week cuase of the load zones and instances, if this is the future i feel sorry for the direction of the game)


5, Im on radiant and the imps have spend the last 2 months owning all planets..and all prices have been at cap. 6k for a chest, if this was a non human andrebs where owning the server that would be 12k thats entrily too much, Back in the old days,, it was 4k for a non human to buy a chest plate as a stormie soo get your facts right. Correlia was just taken the other night and costs are still near cap.. Soo please dont group all servers to be like yours cuase they are not.

Message Edited by JeCy on 08-12-2005 02:40 PM

AphroditeX
Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:50 pm
#9
i went 4000 smuggler with my master AS so i could switch back and forth as needed for faction schematics.

10 million seems WAY high for 30 schematics. I dont think ive ever spent more then 5 million on either rebel or imperial.



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MasterJediBrim
Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:16 pm
#10


I read the post an thought to myself that Itoo was thinking this. Only thing is I did somthing about it. Being in a good guild / big guild has its advantage's , I got a buddie of mine "bh" to spend his off time afk macroing for faction points. At the end of the 3rd day he tip me 60k faction + after i had gotten some promo's he then tipped another 30k the next day. Was enough for all my promo's an to buys 3 suit schem'san still have 10 k or so left over. Th bh that did this for me wore assult an recon armor, an for payment he wanted 2 free suits "one of each kind" This was np of course an was a great deal. Now all I do is have him afking once or twice a week an he tips the faction. If I need it. This is how I do it , im not sure if the poster has the option of having a guild that would do somthing like this for em , but if so this is a great route to go an any armor that is sold is straight profit.



MasteJediBrim





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Wolfe26
Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:33 pm
#11




MasterJediBrim wrote:



I read the post an thought to myself that Itoo was thinking this. Only thing is I did somthing about it. Being in a good guild / big guild has its advantage's , I got a buddie of mine "bh" to spend his off time afk macroing for faction points. At the end of the 3rd day he tip me 60k faction + after i had gotten some promo's he then tipped another 30k the next day. Was enough for all my promo's an to buys 3 suit schem'san still have 10 k or so left over. Th bh that did this for me wore assult an recon armor, an for payment he wanted 2 free suits "one of each kind" This was np of course an was a great deal. Now all I do is have him afking once or twice a week an he tips the faction. If I need it. This is how I do it , im not sure if the poster has the option of having a guild that would do somthing like this for em , but if so this is a great route to go an any armor that is sold is straight profit.



MasteJediBrim







Exactly - No Smuggler... No, paying for faction... Just people using our head and making CONTACT with people who are willing to trade the faction cost for a free suit of armor...


In this game you can do things the hard and expensive way or you can think about it and do things the easy and inexpensive way... Tried to get a strategy discussion going no one wanted to participate just complain that it doesn't work for them so it should be changed.





Scarelin Deathstalker - Ranger / Rifleman
Cormo Deathstalker - Master Armorsmith / Weaponsmith/ 11pt Master Artisan
Vendor - Wolfe Inc Armor in Red dawn mall (-413, -4573), Talus
(as soon as you get off the shuttle)
JeCy
Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:20 pm
#12





Wolfe26 wrote:




MasterJediBrim wrote:



I read the post an thought to myself that Itoo was thinking this. Only thing is I did somthing about it. Being in a good guild / big guild has its advantage's , I got a buddie of mine "bh" to spend his off time afk macroing for faction points. At the end of the 3rd day he tip me 60k faction + after i had gotten some promo's he then tipped another 30k the next day. Was enough for all my promo's an to buys 3 suit schem'san still have 10 k or so left over. Th bh that did this for me wore assult an recon armor, an for payment he wanted 2 free suits "one of each kind" This was np of course an was a great deal. Now all I do is have him afking once or twice a week an he tips the faction. If I need it. This is how I do it , im not sure if the poster has the option of having a guild that would do somthing like this for em , but if so this is a great route to go an any armor that is sold is straight profit.



MasteJediBrim







Exactly - No Smuggler... No, paying for faction... Just people using our head and making CONTACT with people who are willing to trade the faction cost for a free suit of armor...


In this game you can do things the hard and expensive way or you can think about it and do things the easy and inexpensive way... Tried to get a strategy discussion going no one wanted to participate just complain that it doesn't work for them so it should be changed.





Ttotal B S crap about AFK faction grinding.. even posting this here makes me sick.. to think you acually support AFK game play is awefull,, i for one would never buy armor or anything from you, and you are condoning it like its a viable "smart" thing to do.. Why SOE lets this still in the game is beyond me.. Using your head to exploit game systems.. cuase someone is cheap and wants a free suit soo they leave there computer run all night. instead of acually helping people that like to play and dont AFK.. way to go promoting helping others.. your statement Exactly - No Smuggler... No, paying for faction...no wonder smiths get a bad name for greed. I know people that could do this, I have an alt i could do this with. I wouldnt even think of doing it the game should be played, NOT AFK'd this is half of the problem people AFK faction grinding soo they can set up 100's of bases daily if needed. If they had to aucally spend the time grinding the faction they wouldnt have the time for the other stuff, and if they bought the stuff the credits would be sunk from the game which the game is in desperate need of and you wouldnt have your millions to spend on all those skill tapes and ADK's people need so badly, and causing the HUGELY inflated pricing system.




yes 10 mill is awefully high thats mywhole point.. for those that dont belive me do the math.. its pretty simple.


there is a whole class out there called smuggler.. that that is one of there skills, soo basically by trading faction for schems your hurting another class to get your stuff cheaper.. NOT helping out other classes in a symboisis, which is the way the game is designed.. i scratch your back you scratch mine.


Picking up smuggler yourself yet another.. Out for yourself thing just like smiths that pick up tailor instead of buying there cloths to spread the wealth. If thats the way you wanna play thats fine, but with the way the game mechanics are its screwed up. to aucally use others to help you. (the whole fact that i could ahve combat, afk faction grind at night and buy faction myself is not the point and then im acually exploiting game mechanics to get stuff cheaper, not being a part of a crafting community which i suport.


No ONE has given a single valid reason on why prices should flucuate frome barely 1 million- 5.5 million per set of 10 schems.. you can honestly say thats the way it should be?? just to wear faction armor? Sure there are lots of ways to get faction.I know tons of them.. the using faction is NOT the issue nor is getting alternative ways of getting it like everyone thats adding to this is saying, its the incredible difference in the prices that stick with the issue, dont sugar coat it with noise warfar, and claim im complainging that it doesnt work for me.

Message Edited by JeCy on 08-12-2005 05:25 PM

JediSpam
Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:36 pm
#13
IMO, Faction armor is just a hugecredit drain.


Factories, houses, vehicle maintenance, travel expenses, training...

The amount of money one uses for such things is rediculously minimal compared to the amount one can generate.


I think SOE actually wanted to make Faction armor expensive so that they can get some of the money backinto the game.



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