Armorsmith Archive
Thread: whats with the pricing!!!
The first guy who was charging you that much even with you giving him the schematics was ripping you off, and the jump in price for the addition of the enhancers, even with you providing them,is because of time. The AS probably had some premade cores ready to make your armor without the enhancers and it is not out of his way to make the final appearance so he just charges his regular fee. When you provide enhancers, they are crafted into the very first part of the armor and so the AS has to take the enhancers, makes a run of segments in his factory(which is long) has to then make a run of cores in the factory (which is also long) and then make your final apprearance. That is a huge request and thus the greater charge.
We have to do the factory runs because you need identical factory cores in the helmet, chest, and legs. I don't know if that is over your head, but it's an explination as to why!
Every AS charges differently (though I have to say that 1 million for unlayered armor, when you're provided the BH Armor schematics, sounds way overpriced). Note that adding health enhancers to armor really increases the amount of work involved. Instead of just using pre-made cores, all the cores will have to be specially made with separate factory runs for the leggings, helmet and chestplate (one set of factory runs for the segments, then another for the cores). That can take a lot of time, so it's probably why the price goes up so much, even though you're providing the health enhancers.
Slim Vargo, Corbantis
I'm not sure why an AS would charge 1 mil for something that takes them about 5 minutes.... I charge a guy 100k to make his BH the other day, and I still made a little money. Even got an extra belt schematic out of it
Now the health enhancer one is fair. If you request a suit with the enhancers and the smith doesn't have them premade, it may take him a little while to put it together and 200k is what he values his time at. If you want a suit with the enhancers, I wouldn't complain about that price, you'd be lucky to find someone to even do it.
Health enhancing a suit of armordrastically increasesthe amount of work and also forces the smith to waste several resources and subcomponents.. For layered armor, my break even point on cores is about 130k or so. I charge more than this both to make a profit and to keep my phone from ringing off the hook.
There are 11 cores in a suit of armor. There are 3 segments per core, and 4 layers per segment (132 total in a suit). To fully enhance a suit, I have to do seperate runs for the helm cores, chest cores, and leg cores. In addition, to conserve enhancers, I will do the four cores for the arm pieces by hand (and all three segment combines for each core). Each factory run wastes the resources and components for a core, so it means an enhanced suit is essentially a 13 core suit. So, you see, there are significantly more materials used, and a huge additional time investment. Specifically, the time difference is 15-21 segment combines, 7 core combines and6-12 factory runs for enhancedvs. 1 segment combine, 1 core combineandtwo runs for regular. Also, thanks to the additional runs, the smith gets to throw away an additionalminimum of 36 layers,6 segments, and 2 cores per enhanced suit. That is about a quarter of the resources for a regular suit.
Now, you see the tremendous amount of additional time and material it takes for a smith to craft in the bonus enhancers you provide. Expect to compensate them accordingly.
Message Edited by darthbock on 08-24-2005 02:03 PM
Krayth-x wrote:
this will be the first set of many sets of BH armor I'll have made so as long that the armor is to to above a avrage then I'll be happy. tho what I'm reading from the tc notes and threads from this forum after the next patch I shouldn't have a hard time finding someone that can make me modded capped armor
Smith number 1 is charging you too much.Smith number 2 is charging you a good price. The stats he has quoted are for energy layered assault cores that are 43 points short ofbase cap and have reasonable energy layers, possibly very good for your galaxy(6057kin, 6029 en, 5957 base). I expect he has already made and so it will take him only about 10 minutes to make your suit.
The health enhancer bit all comes down to how much someone values their time. As other people have said everyone puts a different value on their time. Crafting with health enhancers is very time consuming.
Also, 2M for a layered BH suit with you providing the schematics seems a little steep maybe. Who knows though, that smith may have needed to use a lot of resource kits on the layers or something?
Vastar wrote:
(Since I just so happen to be on Starsider.) I just wanted to say that I can't really see myself even doing health bonus armor for anyone that doesn't just so happen to be a friend of mine. I'm pretty sure the amount needed to talk me into dinking around with it would far exceed a fair price for you. As a previous poster mentioned, you may be lucky to have even found someone willing to do a custom order like that.
Also, 2M for a layered BH suit with you providing the schematics seems a little steep maybe. Who knows though, that smith may have needed to use a lot of resource kits on the layers or something?