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Thread: Couple Questions....kinda simple.

MonKaiku
Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:05 pm
#1






Katrine001 wrote:

I am an older AS just back and I had a few basic questions for my fellow AS's.


1. The free 30k resource Vet award. How is this used? Does it show categories and then you pick the resource? If I click it is it "use it or lose it?" Can I see stats? you pick category, all the way down to specific resource. Then it lists every resource ever for that resource. You can check stats, and click cancel so you can go through and see what is best. So say you wanted to pick Neutroniuum steel. You select Inorganic. Then select Inorganic Mineral. Then select ferrous, then Steel, then neutronuim steel. It will then list every neutronium steel ever by name. You can go through and find the best and THEN select it. On a side note, it also lists current stuff. So if you want to see what the dath fiberplast is, then just check the resource kit then cancel.


2. I notice an entertainer buff now for some stuff. Hows does it work, what stats and how long do they last? increase in xp, assembly, can also add 2% to stats of resources. Lasts about 3hr


3. There are a ton of new named resources. My older unused layers show "0" on stats. Are they toast? Also, on these new resources, should I "as in the old days" worry more about layers and work up the ladder? they are toast, I gave up and deleted all mine. Try to cap unlayered stuff then work on layers.


4. And finally. I can probably find this...but are the "battle, recon, assault" armor types placing limits on whats classes can use what? How has this effected what sells? no limitations cept wook wear wook armor, Ithorian wears Ithorian. And human/zab only on imp helmets


Thanks guys in advance.









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RPMayhem
Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:10 pm
#2

1. Don't know...haven't used one before.

2. Buff gives: 15% xp bonus, 2% resource quality bonus, 10% assembly bonus, 10% experiment bonus. Note that these are +10% to assembly and experiment successfulness, NOT like a +10 SEA.

3. I wasn't an AS pre-CU. However, I wouldn't worry about layers right away yet. Start with segments and cores and work on getting capped armor. (6000 is the cap, plus or minus the 1000 point adjustmeents in recon and battle)

4. Copied this from Information on CURB Armor for Customers which is in the AS FAQ/Guides list:

Assault
Professions: Bounty Hunter, Commando, Squad Leader

Bonus: +1000 Kinetic
Penalty: -1000 Energy

Appearances: Chitin, Composite, Ithorian Sentinel, Kashyyykian Hunting, Factional


Battle
Professions: Carbineer, Combat Medic, Creature Handler, Doctor, Fencer, Pikeman, Ranger, Swordsman

No Bonus or Penalty

Appearances: Bone, Marauder, Padded, Ithorian Defender, Kashyyykian Black Mountain, R.I.S. (quest), and Factional


Reconaissance
Professions: BioEngineer*, Pistoleer, Rifleman, Smuggler

Bonus: +1000 Energy
Penalty: -1000 Kinetic

Appearances: Mabari, Tantel, Ubese, Ithorian Guardian, Kashyyykian Ceremonial, and Factional

* BioEngineers only receive hindrance mitigations equal to "basic" core armor.

Message Edited by RPMayhem on 09-20-2005 05:12 PM

Message Edited by RPMayhem on 09-20-2005 05:14 PM



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Katrine001
Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:27 pm
#3

Great guys...thanks bunches.


So the though here is to max the unlayered before worry about layers? I just want to make sure. So if I have awesome resources for Primus Layers (Engy/Kin yes?) then thats not as significant as pre CU days?


So work top down versus bottom up?





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Hartlander
Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:53 pm
#4

From what I've heard...haven't used a resource kit...your best bet is to check swgcraft.com (they do have most of the stats from the very beginning) for all the resources that have ever spawned on your server and then pick the one you want from the list.

Hope this helps.



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Vesak
Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:16 pm
#5

The resource kits are super-easy to use and you can cancel at any time without using the kit. You can look up the stats on any resource that has ever spawned on your server, it takes some time to go through them all, but the info is all in there. Its nice to go through everything listed once, and write them all down for future reference. SWGCraft can easily be missing some resources, so if you trust it you may miss the server-best resource that you might be looking for.




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MonKaiku
Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:39 pm
#6






Katrine001 wrote:

Great guys...thanks bunches.


So the though here is to max the unlayered before worry about layers? I just want to make sure. So if I have awesome resources for Primus Layers (Engy/Kin yes?) then thats not as significant as pre CU days?


So work top down versus bottom up?








I do not do any factory runs of layered stuff personally


do factory runs of capped unlayered armor (equivalent to your 80% kin composite sales preCU)


do layered armors for special orders, or to keep a few suits on vendor. Also use for factional and R.I.S.


unlayered stuff sells fine if it is capped, not like preCU where unlayered stuff would never sell





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JediSpam
Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:24 pm
#7

Yeah, think of layers as a bonus.


A) Unlayered Segments max at 1000, but most of the time you'll be in the high 900's using server best.

You use 3 segments per core so multiply by 3.


B) YourCores can add another maximum of 3000, being more like 2900 using server best.


AddA and Btogether.


Since it is impossible to get 6000 here, SOE gave us a bonus of 400 maximumthat gets added on during the final combine.


If A + B = 5600 or less, you will get 400 additional points added on during the final combine.

If A + B = 5600 or more, you will be "capped" at 6000 no matter what and will not be able to go over it.


Then come the layers.

Add the figures on your layers ON TOP OF the above.


My advice would be, unless you can cap your unlayered (or come very close to it), don't even bother with it.

I've seen newer smiths make stuff like Quad Primus Battle that has less than 6K E/K, but this worse than unlayered cap, and uses a sheetload of additional layer resources which is a waste.



Think of layers asasuperexpensive weapon power-up here... if that makes more sence to you.

There's no use PU-ing a weapon if the WS next doorcan make a better one for a fraction of your cost.



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Katrine001
Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:42 pm
#8

Ahhh ok guys got it. I noticed a bunch of AS's out there had 6000/6000 stuff for sale. So thats the capped correct?


That helps alot but it seems that may be a bit easier to cap, correct? That kinda neuters us a bit wouldn't yu say? Removing the layer chemistry?


I can tell ya...I ran around looking for layer resources for 2 nites and the stats were ugly.....many of em gated?


Yu guys are great btw. Thanks.





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Now working out of Skara Brae, Naboo
Turkina
Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:13 pm
#9

Gated resources on the most popular layers:


Energy Layers


Plexite Amorphous Gemstone - SR 431

Alantium Carbonate Ore - SR 115


Kinetic Layers


Chromite Carbonate Ore - SR 289

Generic Amorphous Gemstone - if you choose Vendusii Crystal - SR 930 (if you use Bal'ta'ran then no gate)


Primus Layers


Neutronium Steel - SR 765
Katrine001
Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:59 am
#10

I am an older AS just back and I had a few basic questions for my fellow AS's.


1. The free 30k resource Vet award. How is this used? Does it show categories and then you pick the resource? If I click it is it "use it or lose it?" Can I see stats?


2. I notice an entertainer buff now for some stuff. Hows does it work, what stats and how long do they last?


3. There are a ton of new named resources. My older unused layers show "0" on stats. Are they toast? Also, on these new resources, should I "as in the old days" worry more about layers and work up the ladder?


4. And finally. I can probably find this...but are the "battle, recon, assault" armor types placing limits on whats classes can use what? How has this effected what sells?


Thanks guys in advance.



Katrine The Armorer
Providing Superior armor solutions for Gorath
12 Point - RIS Certified - Leading edge armor designs

Now working out of Skara Brae, Naboo
JediSpam
Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:59 am
#11







Katrine001 wrote:

Ahhh ok guys got it. I noticed a bunch of AS's out there had 6000/6000 stuff for sale. So thats the capped correct?


Yes, 6K across the board for Battle, + and/or - 1000 E/K for Recon and Assault.


That helps alot but it seems that may be a bit easier to cap, correct? That kinda neuters us a bit wouldn't yu say? Removing the layer chemistry?


Exactly. Armor making is all about the resources used. Very dumb indeed.


And yes, you only need 5600/6000 or 933.34 on average OQ+SR resources (or 915.06 average if you consider the musician buffs) to hit cap.


I can tell ya...I ran around looking for layer resources for 2 nites and the stats were ugly.....many of em gated?


Yu guys are great btw. Thanks.



Yeah, these guys are great!







Prolly the best thing for you to do now is to read through the first few pages of the AS forum post by post.

You'll dig up more information then you can handle.

Trust me, it's worth the time.



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Arem
Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:23 am
#12






Turkina wrote:

Gated resources on the most popular layers:


Energy Layers


Plexite Amorphous Gemstone - SR 431

Alantium Carbonate Ore - SR 115


Kinetic Layers


Chromite Carbonate Ore - SR 289

Generic Amorphous Gemstone - if you choose Vendusii Crystal - SR 930 (if you use Bal'ta'ran then no gate)


Primus Layers


Neutronium Steel - SR 765





also new and very important for you is the change that the upper gates( and good it is just the upper)are not limiting the resource quality anymore, so an Alantium Carb Ore with OQ 1000 and SR 115 would compare to OQ 1000, SR 1000 pre CU.







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Rikilii
Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:15 pm
#13






MonKaiku wrote:







1. The free 30k resource Vet award. How is this used? Does it show categories and then you pick the resource? If I click it is it "use it or lose it?" Can I see stats? you pick category, all the way down to specific resource. Then it lists every resource ever for that resource. You can check stats, and click cancel so you can go through and see what is best. So say you wanted to pick Neutroniuum steel. You select Inorganic. Then select Inorganic Mineral. Then select ferrous, then Steel, then neutronuim steel. It will then list every neutronium steel ever by name. You can go through and find the best and THEN select it. On a side note, it also lists current stuff. So if you want to see what the dath fiberplast is, then just check the resource kit then cancel.





I can obviously check this when I get home, but I'm just curious.....does the interface tell you which ones are current, or do you have to compare to your survey tool listing to figure that out?




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