Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Petition for better wooly hide
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Areriye
Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:59 am
#1
I'm not big into petitions, really. Some things are just the way they are or have some hope of being fixed in the future.
Wooly hide, however, is the bane of my existance. I don't know how things are on every server, but on Chilastra, veteran armorsmiths are telling me that we haveonly had 4'decent' (OQ+SR>1300 or 1400) shifts in the past 6 months, 1 of which wsa Correllian (durnis and paralopes) and 1 was a Lokian (langlatchs) Wooly shift.
This is absolutely absurd. The reasoning others have expressed is that the devs are trying to dumb the armor down. Well, they're already doing that in the combat rebalance.
What they are really doing is... and this is acycle of cause and effect...inflating the price of wooly hide. The already established armorsmiths are the ones buying the hide. Now because of the monopolization (oligopolization is a more accurate term) of this resource, it makes it quite difficult for up and coming armorsmiths to get a foothold. They cannot start their way at the bottom and work their way up on bone armor and such because there is almost no market for it, so they must already havea large sum of money beforehand from another means in order to attempt to compete.
Because of the oligopilization of the resource, the power of the economy remains in the hands of the few... and the economy on armor skilltapes and resources armorsmith related is based on what they are willing and able to pay... not a true supply/demand curve. There isn't enough of a supply to generate a healthy economy.
SOE needs to look ahead and consider the up and coming armorsmiths that we'll be seeing when JTL comes out. A constant stream of junk wooly hide is going to make it very difficult for new players to get into the mature market. I don't want to see TONS of armorsmiths on every server, and I'm not asking for there to always be wooly with all 900 stats... but something useable from time to time would be nice.
Sign if you're with me.
Ryche_Mykola
Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:54 am
#2
/disagree
Sorry, this is what separates the true Masters in the Armorsmith world, there are those who are prepared for no spawns of resources for months and those who didn't prepare and stockpile.
Areriye
Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:01 am
#3
1.) Thanks for one starring jsut because you didn't agree. That = Immature
2.) You're totally narrow sighted. What about folks who just became armorsmiths? What about new players who decided they wanted to make armor? How can you justify long periods of absolute crap because they should have been stockpiling resources before they chose to become an armorsmith or before they even started playing?
My guess is you're one of 'the few' on your server and like things just the way they are with little competition. Other people like to play this game too, hoss.
AtPlay
Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:36 am
#4
A better petition would be to add at least one cl20 animal, for every organic resource, that can be spawned via missions. Imagine a cl20 durni...
Boskee
Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:43 am
#5
Areriye wrote:
1.) Thanks for one starring jsut because you didn't agree. That = Immature
2.) You're totally narrow sighted. What about folks who just became armorsmiths? What about new players who decided they wanted to make armor? How can you justify long periods of absolute crap because they should have been stockpiling resources before they chose to become an armorsmith or before they even started playing?
My guess is you're one of 'the few' on your server and like things just the way they are with little competition. Other people like to play this game too, hoss.
I have to agree with Ryche on this one.
1.) Gving someone a one star is not immature. It is expressing ones opinion. Not being able to handle the fact that you got a one star without complaining about it is immature.
2.) Everybody has to start at the bottom and work their way to the top. Ihave only been a MA for 2 weeks now. I did not stockpile resources for months. I did not start with a huge bank account. I found a niche and filled it. I just made my first million credits on saturday.
My guess is that you are someone who grinded their way to master armoursmith and expected to be able to make the best armour the same day. Once you found out that you can't do it, you want it handed to you.
iamcount
Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:57 am
#6
/agree
Formerly being an established AS and 'one of the few', something does need to be done about hide. To stockpile wooley and leather for an AS is almost impossible. You need help from scouts or pay out the wazoo fo it. For those who disagree, its not like getting a good AND COLLECTABLE wooley hide spawn will instantly make a good AS. However, this resources is the hardest to get and the problem is compouned by spawns on corellia and lok which even the rangers refuse to collect. Can you imagine asking a ranger to collect hide from durnis? You can hear their laughing from a mile away. Maybe more spawns isnt the answer. Maybe limiting where wooley spawns is the answer. Eliminate all wolley hide creatures from corellia and lok would be a dandy answer. Having good and collectable wooley twice in 7 months just isnt cool. Even silicate and vertex spawn more often than that!
/sign
Tranzar
Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:05 am
#8
/agree
/disagree
i agree with what the first person who responded said...gotta be prepaired.
6 months with stuff that low does seem a missfortune but i bet u will get a very uber one real soon, bloodfin was kinda like that then all of a sudden we got like 3 really uber ones, one better than the next like 3 weeks in a row, and i paid 150cpu for 700k of it...so again gotta stock up because who knows could be months before anything else good comes. but i feel ur pain 
-Tranzar
Ryche_Mykola
Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:09 am
#9
Boskee - Couldn't agree more with you.
Boskee wrote:
I have to agree with Ryche on this one.
1.) Gving someone a one star is not immature. It is expressing ones opinion. Not being able to handle the fact that you got a one star without complaining about it is immature.
2.) Everybody has to start at the bottom and work their way to the top. Ihave only been a MA for 2 weeks now. I did not stockpile resources for months. I did not start with a huge bank account. I found a niche and filled it. I just made my first million credits on saturday.
My guess is that you are someone who grinded their way to master armoursmith and expected to be able to make the best armour the same day. Once you found out that you can't do it, you want it handed to you.
Areriye - Sorry, didn't 1 star you...............just gave you my opinion. Chill out sweetheart. I'm not narrow sighted. Nobody said being a Master Armorsmith was easy. Its easy to find Wooly Hide for sale on the bazaars, granted its not that good usually, but its readily available and fairly cheap. Quality doesn't matter to much for those just starting out, not much you could do with only a couple experiment points. What they are supposed to be doing is LEARNING the profession. How layers work, what to experiment on for the different types of armor, etc.
I also have PLENTY of competition, and all my competitors have 12 points also, I still only have 10. I love the competition actually, other armorsmiths that are better than me like Boooozark, Rnok, and Blum (regular posters on the forums) give me a goal to actually strive for.
I'm probably one of the rare smiths that didn't grind up to Master (it took me 4 months). I started preparing about a month before becoming master gathering resources to make Advanced Composite. I didn't start with a huge bank account either, I made all my money selling Chitin on the bazaar terminals for 2-3k per piece, and I didn't have a huge PA backing me at the time either.
So hold all the sob stories about not finding resources, all of us have dealt with it in here.
Areriye
Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:12 am
#10
Boskee wrote:
My guess is that you are someone who grinded their way to master armoursmith and expected to be able to make the best armour the same day. Once you found out that you can't do it, you want it handed to you.
No... I don't, and I didn't expect to be able to make top quality armor the first day.
I have been master armorsmith for about a month now, maybe longer. There is nothing to stockpile because there hasn't been ANYTHING TO STOCKPILE. We had a Corellian wooly hide shift that was good, and I hunted them for 2 hours a day for the entirety of the shift for a 15k stack of wooly that is already half gone. What else am I supposed to do? One guy is paying 115 cpu for that shift... and still he's not getting any offers or sales.
Someone cannot work their way up or even be competitive if they're unable to gather even mediocre resources. Wooly on our server is not only unuberlike, it is horrid quality stuff. Here are the current shift's stats... with the exception of Lokian Wooly (impossible to obtain), it's all OQ+SR < 1100, and this is NORMAL.
Peogiof, Corellian Wooly Hide
DR=84, MA=48, OQ=107, SR=691, UT=626
Eogi, Endorian Wooly Hide
DR=320, MA=70, OQ=397, SR=31, UT=534
Aesroed, Lokian Wooly Hide
DR=384, MA=471, OQ=823, SR=770, UT=125
Hate, Nabooian Wooly Hide
DR=473, MA=901, OQ=363, SR=765, UT=152 *
Cirdoll, Rori Wooly Hide
DR=677, MA=480, OQ=442, SR=145, UT=954 *
Gyce, Talusian Wooly Hide
DR=610, MA=189, OQ=164, SR=775, UT=295
Wrevash, Tatooinian Wooly Hide
Wrevash, Tatooinian Wooly Hide
DR=14, MA=441, OQ=156, SR=632, UT=155
Srabif, Yavinian Wooly Hide
Srabif, Yavinian Wooly Hide
DR=243, MA=973, OQ=414, SR=378, UT=646 *
And, for the record, I think one stars should be reserved for poorly written threads... nota thread you disagree with.
DragonFire7
Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:15 am
#11
I grinded master armorsmith under my PA's AS at the time..he was getting ready to leave the game and so taught me everything he knew and when i completed AS gave me a backpack of enough resources for 20suits..all that went toward resources of various types. But while grinding I was always following the new resources. AS is 95% Resources...It is what seperates the good from the mediorce (well besides 12points).
Yes Hide cost a bundle but did u ever look at how many hides you use in 1 suit of composite? 190...figure the going rate on Dant Wooly/Yavian wooly/endorian wooly (easiest types to gather) is 40-60cpu..thats 10k of the price of composite...how much does your composite sell for that this is a pressing issue?
Decent wooly spawns just as often as the good vertex's and other hard to find minerals...
The market is all screwed up..but realize untill the AS community as a whole is ready to lower our profits we will have to pay out the gut for hides from the rangers...
Ryche_Mykola
Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:16 am
#12
I would never 1 star a thread I disagree with, but I will give you my opinion on the matter.
Areriye wrote:
And, for the record, I think one stars should be reserved for poorly written threads... nota thread you disagree with.
Actually, the only time that i 1 star a thread is if someone tries to sell something in the Armorsmith thread. 
So if you are selling something here and got 1 starred, it was me.
Sorackles
Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:19 am
#13
Areriye wrote:
Boskee wrote:
My guess is that you are someone who grinded their way to master armoursmith and expected to be able to make the best armour the same day. Once you found out that you can't do it, you want it handed to you.
No... I don't, and I didn't expect to be able to make top quality armor the first day.
I have been master armorsmith for about a month now, maybe longer. There is nothing to stockpile because there hasn't been ANYTHING TO STOCKPILE. We had a Corellian wooly hide shift that was good, and I hunted them for 2 hours a day for the entirety of the shift for a 15k stack of wooly that is already half gone. What else am I supposed to do? One guy is paying 115 cpu for that shift... and still he's not getting any offers or sales.
Someone cannot work their way up or even be competitive if they're unable to gather even mediocre resources. Wooly on our server is not only unuberlike, it is horrid quality stuff. Here are the current shift's stats... with the exception of Lokian Wooly (impossible to obtain), it's all OQ+SR < 1100, and this is NORMAL.
Peogiof, Corellian Wooly Hide
DR=84, MA=48, OQ=107, SR=691, UT=626
Eogi, Endorian Wooly Hide
DR=320, MA=70, OQ=397, SR=31, UT=534
Aesroed, Lokian Wooly Hide
DR=384, MA=471, OQ=823, SR=770, UT=125
Hate, Nabooian Wooly Hide
DR=473, MA=901, OQ=363, SR=765, UT=152 *
Cirdoll, Rori Wooly Hide
DR=677, MA=480, OQ=442, SR=145, UT=954 *
Gyce, Talusian Wooly Hide
DR=610, MA=189, OQ=164, SR=775, UT=295
Wrevash, Tatooinian Wooly Hide
DR=14, MA=441, OQ=156, SR=632, UT=155
Srabif, Yavinian Wooly Hide
DR=243, MA=973, OQ=414, SR=378, UT=646 *
And, for the record, I think one stars should be reserved for poorly written threads... nota thread you disagree with.
A month? Lol. It took me 3 months till I could even make half decent armor! And I started working towards Armorsmith at launch. This is what makes me laugh about everyone who becomes an rmosmith to make money. Sure most old timer armorsmiths are rich but we never started that. It took million of creds to grind our way up and tonnes more creds to become respectable. It's all about stockpiling hide. That is the bane of our craft. I have about 400k Wooly and about 200k Leathery and that still worries me that I don't have enough of it.
You just have to suck it up and pay the scouts and rangers the money it costs to get hide. Maybe now people understand why we charge so much for armor. It is so that we have a large account that we can dip into when the next good hide spawn shows up.
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