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I think that that is a plausible theory. One variable that you didn't test was the impact of complexity on the success rate.

That is, suppose that the curve that drives the "great", "amazing", etc is driven by: number of experiment points you have, tools/stations, and complexity of the object. Then a low level crafter doing low level objects with a 0.0 tool and station would see a certain success rate. If they used a high tool/station (per your theory) then it helps them. Using that same complexity item, a master could "cap out" on the success rate, making the tool/station rating moot. However, it may be the case that the complexity pulls that curve down, such that even a master gets a little benifit to better tools/stations when they are doing very complex objects.

I don't know for sure, and it's harder to test since you likely are using more and better resources for a complexity 20 item than for a complexity 4 item.

Muzzles are complexity 14 so its not too low. I've only got the ability to compare between master Artisan and 2/0/0/1 Artisan right now. And complexity 14 is the highest artisan generic item that I can compare.

I think I'll also try a similar test to compare between Master Architect and a Novice Architect. I'll have to grind out some XP to get Novice Archi though.

ONe thing to point out is that experimentation may not work exactly the same between different professions so things might work a bit different if you're a doctor making buff packs. I don't know for sure.

Good work Pawlin, this SHOULD make me feel better about the 'perfect' crafting station I bought from Donah, but I still feel that the element of chance plays too big a role in success rates. If this was 'repeatable' I would be happy, but my own experiences don't bear out your results, at least as far as the number of critical to amazing successes goes (I will admit I hadn't thought to look at %). When I make wall modules on the 'perfect' station I get more criticals or lowend successes during experimentation than I do when I use the 42.7 I own, in both cases I am using 99% 15.0 tools. Now I know that 45 vs 42.7 doesnt seem much, but at 45 with 15 it SHOULD make it a virtual impossibility to get worse than 'moderate', I get lots, and I mean lots. So many more than my 42.7 in fact that I now only use the 45 for the components where it doesn't matter. I am positive that this is just chance playing dirty tricks on me, but it shouldn't be allowed at this level. The only other posibility is of course that Donah left out a vital component but a bug still registered it as perfect

Heres a little more data on my 2/0/0/1 artisan:

Good tool/station:

new data
24, 10, 37, 24, 23, 17, 34, 20, 26, 33

plus previous results
40, 38, 8, 24, 34, 37, 29, 36, 22, 36
44, 33, 11, 43, 24, 44, 28, 30, 34, 0
and the average moves to 28.1%

Bad tool/station

new data
29,25, 6, 40, 38, 19, 41, 41, 29, 28

plus the previous results of
24, 23, 15, 8, 33, 20, crit, 2, 27, 23
10, 43, 24, 0, 24, 0, 29, 22, 26, 44
and the average is now: 23.1%

SO the results are getting closer. Could be that as the sample gets larget the results will end up about the same and that a novice is just a lot more erratic in results.

you get no additional bonuses for being a Master artisan....i think its eng 4 and dom 4 that give you the 100%

i havent run these experiments in a while but when i did, i noticed that there was no basic difference between a 15 % station and a 43% station OR my droid....

I didnt really test out tools that thourghly but in my findings the only thing that effected the outcome of your product was the materials used.. ( i have been a master since last summer so my experiences are based on having master skills)

I have also noticed no improvements using skill tapes or a smock. the stuff i was using doesnt add up to over 20 so i didnt get another point but it didnt improve crafting one bit.

I have also used pyrellian cake for a 14% bonus....these appeared to do abosulutly nothing

Also, to be honest an amazing success really means nothing, IMO...in the best case scenerio you end up with 2 extra exp points...so you either get an item that is 1% better or has a slightly better secondary stat but over all it produces the same items you would get with a great exp.

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Bandola wrote:
...The only other posibility is of course that Donah left out a vital component but a bug still registered it as perfect

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Bandola wrote:
...The only other posibility is of course that Donah left out a vital component but a bug still registered it as perfect

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You guys are forgetting the most important difference in your comparisons . . .

YOU CAN CHARGE WAY MORE FOR AN 'UBER' STATION AND TOOL!!!!

Just a littlie

Could be, in my group, we all mastered months ago, and the only ones to still use the stations are the AS and WS. The rest of us just use Droids. No real difference that we can tell.