Architect Archive
Thread: Theory about impact of tool/station quality
Tushai wrote:
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It's funny, I used to play a chef on Tarquinas eons ago, and when I upgraded to high effectiveness tools and stations, I noticed a big difference. Experimentation failures were few and far between, and critical failures nearly non-existant. In fact, they were SO rare, the few times they happened I went, "What the--?! My materials disappeared and I didn't make anything?! Heeeeey! Oh, wait...critical failure, oh yeah, I remember those..." In comparison, crafting on Bria seems to show no obvious difference, maybe a bit fewer crit fails in the high effectiveness tool/stations. But I still crit fail a LOT more often than I did with the Tarq. character. /shrug Just my 2 cr.
When you were a Chef were you a master?
Are you also a Chef on Bria?
One thing I'm wondering is if the experimentation formula differs some from profession to profession. It could be possible that a simple thing like a Muzzle that I did my testing on is really easy to max out like Zen suggested w/r/t complexity of the item. But maybe the food items are a lot harder to experiment up. ONe thing is that my test was with an item with a single line of experimentation but it may differ some in how things work with an item that has multiple lines of experimentation like guns, medicine, food and armor for example.
Pawlin wrote:
Dvnce wrote:
I really think that Complexity difference is the big issue on why there is a variance.... Maybe we as architects are not seeing much variance because we are running into an issue where our artisan skills are adding to our Arch skills thus giving us an inflated Bonus .. so at master level we are capping possible bonuses.. This would make sense we have had many issues where our Artisan skills were being used for Architect items.. Also I have talked to some Docs .. and they can tell a difference between -14. eqpuip and maxed out ones..
Well I don't think that the artisan skills would go into the formula if you are making an architect item that uses architect skills. If artisan was added into the formula say for a harvester then we'd be seeing very erratic results from one master architect to another due to our varying levels of artisan skill. I don't think that is the case. But it would be interesting though to compare the experimentation results between a master architect / master artisan versus a master architect/ artisan with just engr. 4. Maybe you are on to something.
I've also had customers say that they see a difference in the high rating crafting stations. But I've never known if this is a valid observation or just something people imagine cause they expect higher results.
well.. What line in artisan .. does the complexity bonuses factor in.?.. Isnt it the engineering line? which we all of for arch?
that is the only reason that brings this idea up for me.... and really with master and eng 4 there wouldnt be that much of a difference ..
I know that we had issues with stations being crafted using artison expiremntatoin.. so that opens the door to my suspicion of artisan and arch complexity bonuses getting combined..
Dvnce wrote:
.... and really with master and eng 4 there wouldnt be that much of a difference ..
A master artisan has 100 artisan experimentation skill and 100 artisan assembly skill.
An artisan with just engineering 4 and no dom arts would only have 60 artisan experimentation and 60 artisan assembly.
If artisan skill points matter then 60 versus 100 is a big difference.
Ash057 wrote:
wish this whole debate would end, it seems to drag on forever
ZenDragonMLS wrote:
Ash057 wrote:
wish this whole debate would end, it seems to drag on forever
Gosh - it would only require a very simple but *precise* statement from SOE to end it.
Until then, we are trying to make the transition from "magic" to "science", in a world with potentially high costs to experiment and with the underlying laws of physics changing monthly.
Ya, until someone tells us how the universe works we have to figure it out on our own. Or choose to not care.
I can't say I really care a huge amount... but curiosity got me.
Pawlin wrote:
Dvnce wrote:
.... and really with master and eng 4 there wouldnt be that much of a difference ..
A master artisan has 100 artisan experimentation skill and 100 artisan assembly skill.
An artisan with just engineering 4 and no dom arts would only have 60 artisan experimentation and 60 artisan assembly.
If artisan skill points matter then 60 versus 100 is a big difference.
im talking aaboutcomplexity not assembly .. or expirementation.. I could have sworn I saw architect complexity 100 on my skill profile.. I will have to check that when I get home ..
man .. hehe can you tell from my posts today .. I am hella tired.. been a tuff week ... Ditech is trying to own me..
Message Edited by Dvnce on 04-23-2004 03:16 PM
Dvnce wrote:
.. I am hella tired.. been a tuff week ... Ditech is trying to own me..
You work in mortgage biz? Must be busy lately in the last 2-3 years.
Or are you just refninancing your own house?
Message Edited by Dvnce on 04-23-2004 03:37 PM
Dvnce wrote:
... for all the "Im a gonna be a thorn in Dvnce's Side" work you been doing for me.. Ill make sure you get a great program
Well I got 4.75% on a 15 year fixed when I refinanced about 9 months ago.
Or when you say "great program" do you mean "rob Pawlin blind via creative small print"? 
Pawlin wrote:
Dvnce wrote:
... for all the "Im a gonna be a thorn in Dvnce's Side" work you been doing for me.. Ill make sure you get a great program
Well I got 4.75% on a 15 year fixed when I refinanced about 9 months ago.
Or when you say "great program" do you mean "rob Pawlin blind via creative small print"?
let me answer that as precise as I can with a quote from someone we all know and love ..." I ll Look Into that "
Dvnce wrote:
let me answer that as precise as I can with a quote from someone we all know and love ..." I ll Look Into that "
In response to the original post..I agree...hehe...
...tho...I do tend to get alot of Moderate Successes and Im a Master Architect on valcyn....two nights ago I got 4 moderate successes on hvy harvs in a row >_<...but on another note, on around 20 hvy harvs and 9 "dummy" light OMUs...i got great and amazing successes....tho blast, the moderate successes hada land on my hvies... =(