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Thread: An example to us all...
5 stars for a great man/woman.
If you only knew him in RL! This game gives just the briefest glimpse of his awesomeness. 
So if the premier (richest
) weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, etc want to own a "perfect" station, then they will pay that money. The fact that it is very "limited" edition adds to the cachet.I think he has chosen an honorable course of action with regards to the unserial numbered components. I see nothing at all wrong with his selling the limited edition stations for a very high price.
Remember - "profit" is NOT "immoral".
wow peeps are paying 500k for BER 14..??? I am way underpriced ...
ZenDragonMLS wrote:
He made a 45.00 ("perfect") schematic on Patch Day. That is something to be proud of right there. There are people out there who will pay a very high premium for a "perfect" station, regardless of any material benifit. In the same way, some people will pay 500K (or more) for a BER14 harvester, even though on average it only gets you 7% more resources.
Bober is purpusefully not exploiting an obvious design flaw and purposefully not ruining the market for crafting stations.
He might be charging 500k for the last 5-7 the he made. But he is NOT cranking out 950 more using an exploit and charging 100k (or whatever) each for them. Which I think demonstrates that he is not motivated by his own greed here. He's doing the right thing inspite of the profit potential that he's walking away from. I applaud him for this.
Dvnce wrote:
wow peeps are paying 500k for BER 14..??? I am way underpriced ...
ZenDragonMLS wrote:
...Remember - "profit" is NOT "immoral".
As a die-hard capitalist, I agree completely! 
I never called him immoral, I simply hoped that he pointed out that 45.0 is (as far as anyone can tell) not any better than 44.5 or 44 or -44 for that matter. As long as he is not selling these based on the pretext that they will give superior results, but rather as a unique vanity item, then I have no problem whatsoever. A fool and his money and all that jazz. Hey, I'm an interior designer who gets paid millions of credits to decorate people's homes, providing no material benefit whatsoever. I make my entire living playing up to the vanity of the wealth denizens of Radiant!
I think I reacted the way I did because I still get into arguments with folks about highly rated stations, and how they supposedly yieldbetter results, which I have seen and believe to be hogwash.
I sell crafting stations. If asked I tell people the truth, but nobody even asks.
Should I post a sign by my vendor that says: "NOTICE: High rating crafting stations have not been proven to provide any additional benefit" ? Hmmm I might try that just to see what happens.
You're right, it is off-topic to talk about the crafting station rating. The point of the thread (I assume) was to show that some people can, in fact, resist temptation and not take advantage of "loopholes" or design flaws for personal gain. I was just shocked at the 500k price tag and felt like being talkative for a change.
Although I personally disagree that it's not been proven that rating has no bearing on results.I'm no statitician, but thousands of crafters reporting only minor (probably statistically insignificant) differences between -44, 0, and 44 stations is proof enough for me. We don't witness this problem with any other number in the game that I'm aware of, other than tool rating which is a similar issue. There's no argument over BER 12 vs. BER 13, or a rifle damage of 230 vs. 240, or a stim value of 600 vs. 610.
I always put a disclaimer like that in the item description for stations on my vendor...but the 42's always sold out before the 37's that I screwed up on anyway.
Pawlin wrote:
I sell crafting stations. If asked I tell people the truth, but nobody even asks.
Should I post a sign by my vendor that says: "NOTICE: High rating crafting stations have not been proven to provide any additional benefit" ? Hmmm I might try that just to see what happens.
Moxxinal wrote:
I am loatheto start a flame war, and this person seems like a great guy based on the tone of his emails, but 500k for a 45.0 crafting station that has been statistically shown to have zero affect on crafting results? This is not an example I choose to look to for inspiration!
He certainly gets kudos for not exploiting a "loophole." However, I would only consider this fellow an example of righteousness if he sold these 45.0 stations at a price just above the run-of-the-mill 43 or 44, with the standard disclaimer that crafting station rating does not necessarily lead to better results, and that if there wasbetter results due to higher ratings, the improvement is so small that a 1 point difference between44 and45 would benill.Maybe 43 or 44 stations sell for 450k on Bria, but I'd be shocked if that were the case - they fetch around 50-60k on Radiant.
I thought long and hard about what to sell these stations for. I could make 1000 of them and they'd still sell at 500K, quite easily. If I sold them for barely more than a 43 or 44 rated station, somebody else would have bought them all and sold them for a fortune. Not to mention that when people have a hundreds ofmillions of credits, spending a couple million on some showpieces for their shop is nothing.
At 500k, it seems like he's reaping the pricing benefits of a supply pinch that his ethical decision conveniently created. Just my interpretation of this situation.Again, no insult intended to anyone.