Architect Archive

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OkarasBargainBasement wrote:

Is everyone out there forgetting how the next paintings are decided upon??? ...

No. I know how they are picked. I fully expected them to repeat. I don't see many people complaining about this as much as just disappointed that they got an old one rather than a new one for the new painting. Its kinda like getting socks for christmas. But either way I don't see the community 'up in arms' over it.

And one more thing, whil I'm on a rant here...

Why do most people in this profession think that we are owed anything? Everyone complains about how the DEV's just did ANOTHER thing to kill us, OMG, these verteran rewards are the worst, I hate that I can't choose the color of my furniture. Plain and simple if I didn't like something I wouldn't be doing it anymore, same goes for you, if you don't like it why are you an architect? ...

We pay $15 a month so we deserve as much attention from our money as anyone else. We have a system where SOE asks us for our top issues and has a correspondent assigned to communicate the player issues to SOE. SOE has invited our feedback. We're giving it.

Saying I'm unhappy over fusions being broken for a year or that I'd really like OMU's to crate does not mean I don't like being an architect. Its not a love it or leave it choice.

Maybe if alot of the architects weren't lazy and didn't expect to be spoon fed, and have the DEV's force players to line up outside your tents in the middle of no where or in a dying town with no shuttleport you might actually have a successful run at architect and make a decent living off of it.

I"m not lazy. Thanks. My business is doing just fine. Thanks. I've made plenty of money as an architect, more than I know what to do with. Thats not the point. The profession as a whole needs an ongoing source of income in order to remain healthy. Fusions have been broken for over a year and OMUs don't crate. Those are basic problems that have not been addressed for no good reason.

I guess I haven't forgotten that SWG is a GAME and not life or death. And whenever a game stops being fun or you have to complain about the content, maybe you shouldn't be playing it, because whats the point then.

Yes its a game. We could just all quit and play WoW instead. But we like it enough to stick around and try and get SOE to improve it. Which do you think SOE would prefer?

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Pawlin wrote:

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OkarasBargainBasement wrote:

Is everyone out there forgetting how the next paintings are decided upon??? ...

No. I know how they are picked. I fully expected them to repeat. I don't see many people complaining about this as much as just disappointed that they got an old one rather than a new one for the new painting. Its kinda like getting socks for christmas. But either way I don't see the community 'up in arms' over it.

And one more thing, whil I'm on a rant here...

Why do most people in this profession think that we are owed anything? Everyone complains about how the DEV's just did ANOTHER thing to kill us, OMG, these verteran rewards are the worst, I hate that I can't choose the color of my furniture. Plain and simple if I didn't like something I wouldn't be doing it anymore, same goes for you, if you don't like it why are you an architect? ...

We pay $15 a month so we deserve as much attention from our money as anyone else. We have a system where SOE asks us for our top issues and has a correspondent assigned to communicate the player issues to SOE. SOE has invited our feedback. We're giving it.

Saying I'm unhappy over fusions being broken for a year or that I'd really like OMU's to crate does not mean I don't like being an architect. Its not a love it or leave it choice.

Maybe if alot of the architects weren't lazy and didn't expect to be spoon fed, and have the DEV's force players to line up outside your tents in the middle of no where or in a dying town with no shuttleport you might actually have a successful run at architect and make a decent living off of it.

I"m not lazy. Thanks. My business is doing just fine. Thanks. I've made plenty of money as an architect, more than I know what to do with. Thats not the point. The profession as a whole needs an ongoing source of income in order to remain healthy. Fusions have been broken for over a year and OMUs don't crate. Those are basic problems that have not been addressed for no good reason.

I guess I haven't forgotten that SWG is a GAME and not life or death. And whenever a game stops being fun or you have to complain about the content, maybe you shouldn't be playing it, because whats the point then.

Yes its a game. We could just all quit and play WoW instead. But we like it enough to stick around and try and get SOE to improve it. Which do you think SOE would prefer?

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/cheer

Thanks Pawlin. I am tired of people saying "Stop complaining, quit the game if you don't like it." See the thing is We DO like it. I think what everyone is up in arms about is that the Devs seem to be going out of their way for Other professions, like combat, but haven't paid any attention to any of our problems. If everyone was being ignored then i could see people going "Stop complaining, everyone's issues are getting ignored." However there are only a handful of professions being ignored, and Arch is one of them

Well said Pawlin

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Pawlin wrote:

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OkarasBargainBasement wrote:

for the 5000ed time over the same unanswered issues that are frankly more then OBVIOUS do I speak up. I like to read the freindly debate about someones new idea, or what if we had this ability, or what do you think of this option...things like that, but when there are several different threads about the reapeat of bestines painting it just begs the question about the intellegence of the people playing this game,

Ya, you nailed it. We're dimwits.

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WHEW!

I was starting to feel bad that I wasn't outraged at a duplicate painting - now I realize why - I'm just a dimwit.

Okaras - as you can see from my post count I rarely comment either - but the tone of your post is just as bad as any other outraged post on this forum, so I hope you're not too offended about the thrashing of your message.

I guess the only thing my limited intellegence can come up with - is - be thankful you're an architect and not a Smuggler - their issues have been swirling since the start of the game - you would've blown a gasket long ago.

Message Edited by Petekod1 on 02-07-200507:43 AM

Message Edited by Petekod1 on 02-07-2005 07:49 AM

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Petekod1 wrote:

...I guess the only thing my limited intellegence can come up with - is - be thankful you're an architect and not a Smuggler - their issues have been swirling since the start of the game - you would've blown a gasket long ago.

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OkarasBargainBasement wrote:

The game is based around combat. It's based around a civil war, and last time I read the Art of War, no where in there did it mention the crucial usefulness of architects at winning a war or fighting a battle. We're glorified interior designers, theres only so much you can do with our profession.

And that 15 bucks a month is an admission fee to play the game, its not $15 a month that requires anything to be given to us except that the servers be up for us to play on. When we get revamps, patches, and explansions, you should just be looking at that as bonus.

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Pawlin got most of my issues but I feel that I must add a couple of comments.

1) On the matter of war, if my knowledge of history serves fortifications, siege weapons and manufacturing/supply lines have been a critical part of war. If you feel that war is simply combat, you would be wrong. If you look at the films of the GCW you should note that the siege of a fortification is a theme.

2) I would never have paid my $15/month to SOE if I thought for a second that all they were going to do is keep the servers up. I fully expected them to be constantly fixing, updating, and adding content. If I thought this would be a static game I'd buy one without a monthly fee. This is in no way a bonus.

Yes it is difficult to maintain a service of this complexity, but that's what SOE's employees get paid to do. If they can't handle it they should hire more help. They did.

3) I would suggest that when posting if forums you adjust your writing style to break up large blocks of text. They are difficult to read.

Message Edited by KRONOS1974 on 02-07-2005 02:42 PM

Message Edited by KRONOS1974 on 02-07-2005 02:42 PM

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OkarasBargainBasement wrote:

...The game is based around combat. It's based around a civil war, and last time I read the Art of War, no where in there did it mention the crucial usefulness of architects at winning a war or fighting a battle. ...

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"4. The rule is, not to besiege walled cities if it can possibly be avoided. The preparation of mantlets, movable shelters, and various implements of war, will take up three whole months; and the piling up of mounds over against the walls will take three months more. "

-- The Art of War, Sun Tzu

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OkarasBargainBasement wrote:

I'm just amazed at how fast people immediately get defensive about simple observations.

You didn't make a simle observation. The tone and content of your post could be summed up as "shut up and quit whining or leave if you don't like it". You asked many questions like "Why do most people in this profession think that we are owed anything? and "if you don't like it why are you an architect?" just to point out a couple.

If you post stuff like that then you should expect a response.

First off if everyone is aware that there will be repeats then why are you even bothering to mention the obvious to EVERYONE...you all know this already right, thats what you said. YOUR FAILING TO SEE WHAT I MEANT BY IT. Not everyone has been an architect from day 1. The paintings aren't repeats for most people.

Who said everyone knows that there would be repeats? I spoke for myself. I said*I* didn't see many people complaining about the repeat paintings. I don't. I said *I* expected the paintings to repeat. Personally I think its good that they repeat. Because it will give people a chance to get a painting they don't have.

Granted I was disappointed as well, I wish I was able to get the last 3 paintings for a full set, but hey I don't care I'll save myself a couple of credits this month from not having to buy a few schematics. And I'll keep my fingers crossed for next month.

Second, your right you all do pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. You also OBVIOSULY don't realize how complex programming a game of this level is, otherwise you wouldn't be "throwing your arms up" constantly asking the SAME QUESTIONS.

I work in the computer industry. I know full well how complex games like this are. Its a very complicated thing. But they have dozens of well paid software programmers employed to keep it working well.

BUT what we're unhappy about is not caused by high complexity of the game programming. OMU's not crating is not a result of a very complex program. Its either a simple mistake or a design choice. It wouldn't take more than a few minutes to either fix it or to say they intend it to be that way and don't plan to change it.

I also know what it takes to respond to customers complaints about bugs. Simply communicating to us on this subject quicker would keep it from getting to the point that we feel neglected.

If I ignored my customersissues at work for over a year then I would expect them to be unhappy about it. SOE shouldn't expect otherwise.

And could we have a little patience for crying out loud.

I've been patient. Well over a year ago people first started pointing out that we have no decay and little ongoing business.

I've been waiting for over a year for any communication at all on Ore mining units.

We have not been able to experiemnt on Fusions and solars for over a 14 months.

The game is based around combat. It's based around a civil war, and last time I read the Art of War, no where in there did it mention the crucial usefulness of architects at winning a war or fighting a battle. We're glorified interior designers, theres only so much you can do with our profession. Our day will come, you have to keep thinking that otherwise whats the point of keeping architect. You all are so impatient, you want answers now. I too, do not like that OMU's do not crate, but I deal with it, I have never had a problem with it, never ran out of room in a factory because of it. It has caused me a few minutes of time to unload and relaod input and output hoppers on a factory. SO WHAT, but I get your point, it doesn't make sense on why they don't crate.

If you didn't know they've recently fixed the factory bug. I think its on test center now or going to it soon.

And I understand your frustration in wanting to know. My frustration comes from everyone asking this question OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again with no answer. You say you ask these questions for answers, but I see no answers from the DEV'S except that they are working on it. Not once in the probably 500+ posts over the past year concerning this issue has an answer been given, so what makes you think 501 will be the special time they will respond. Give it time and our revamp will come.

So they don't answer us for a year. SO we should just sit tight and wait? How long should we wait? 2 years? 3 years? How long will your patience last? Mine is gone.

If SOE answered us then there wouldn't be any reason for me to keep asking. Why doesn't SOE just post 2-3 sentences here to tell us whats going on? Why don't they just tell our correspondent? SOE has said they know they need to communicate more. They know they have a problem. They aren't fixing it with regards to the Architect issues since we've still gotten zero communication on our issues.

The only hope we have is that all those pieces of furniture such as small potted plant, style 2-5, and the varied kinds of seating we see through out the NPC towns will soon be ours. No matter how much you beg your not going to get a date as to when, so be patient.

Well I for one can sure hope for more than that. For example I would hope that eventually they'll give us furniture customization. About a year ago we were told the "ball is rolling" on that.

As you can see from the total number of posts I have made since registering I don't speak up barely at all. Only when I see people throwing up in arms (and this is what is truely funny, one of you said that you weren't throwing up in arms, then the next guys agree's with you, and uses the terms what really makes me throw my arms up...contradiction in itself, but its a moot point)

You said we were comlainiing about the Bestine Museum paintings. Repeat paintings specifically is what I said I don't see people up in arms over. Note the subject of this thread you started. I've seen a couple people unhappy about the repeat paintings but I also see peole unhappy every round that they got a plant painting for the current round rather than something cooler.

People are up in arms about the other recent removal of structure decay and the total lack of responsiveness on our issues from SOE. Yes 'up in arms' is accurate about that stuff. SOme people are more alarmed than others. I don't personally think the sky is falling but some people are reacting that way.

I do think its about time SOE addressed a few of our issues which they've ignored for well over a year.

for the 5000ed time over the same unanswered issues that are frankly more then OBVIOUS do I speak up. I like to read the freindly debate about someones new idea, or what if we had this ability, or what do you think of this option...things like that, but when there are several different threads about the reapeat of bestines painting it just begs the question about the intellegence of the people playing this game,

Ya, you nailed it. We're dimwits.

and that does anyone think things through on how the game is played before they decide to run here and post a complaint or yell at the DEV's for so called killing us. Lastly, if everyone has been made rich as so claimed for being an architect, whats the problem, why do you need a revamp, or new items, if your sales are stable and the money is rolling in, why is there any need to change things?

See what I previously above. I personally raise attention to our issues because I think it will help the profession as a whole. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I like to see this profession healthy. I didn't write the FAQ for my personal benefit.

And personally I don't like being ignored.

And that 15 bucks a month is an admission fee to play the game, its not $15 a month that requires anything to be given to us except that the servers be up for us to play on. When we get revamps, patches, and explansions, you should just be looking at that as bonus.

If thats all you expect then fine. But SOE knows better. They have to fix bugs and keep improving and adding things. If they don't then they'll loose business. Most of my friends have quit the game due to SOE's lack of attention to problems. SOE employes many people whos job is to fix bugs and add content. Our $15 a month pays for that.

Patches and improvement are an expectation, not a bonus.

And SOE is doing a lot more to improve things with new content and bug fixes. Yet the architect profession specifically has gotten nothing to help us and yet they have removed structure decay which does hurt us. (how much it hurts us is debateable)

It's fickle players on these forums who always ask the same questions that will never be satisfied by anything that is done. Because even if they fix the OMU, and the Fusion Harvestors, and add 100 more paintings to Bestine, there will always be glitches and problems. its the nature of computer systems, OBVIOUSLY.

First, I'll be plenty satisifed if they address OMUs not crating and the lack of experimentation on fusions. THat will shut me up quick.

Yes computer systems are extremely complex systems and games will have bugs.

But should we just ignore them forever and be satisifed they don't just delete our characters? NO. SOE fixes things when customers submit /bug reports. They prioritize things based on input from players.

Again, I'm not here to offend anyone or even try to insult anyone. Just venting my frustrations like EVERYONE else is doing. I have the same concerns as you all do, but it seems that the key difference is that I know how to be patient, because if I couldn't be patient and assume that we architects will have our day whats the point of going on any further in this profession.

I know how to be patient. Read my past 2900 posts in this forum and I think you'll see that only recently have I lost my patience.

Sorry if you do take offense to any of this, its only a game, and I do have to say I'm little frustrated at my own self for getting all worked over something so petty as a game, but as is life I guess. Then again I guess thats what this place is for. SO WE'RE ALL RIGHT...you hear that, I'm telling you that your all right so don't pick apart this response like you do everyone else's to prove a point you will never prove to me.

Oh well I guess since you told me not to then I shouldn't be responding.

Thank you for you time, and fun playing

BE PATIENT PEOPLE!!!

ONE DAY OUR TIME WILL COME!!!

AND WE WILL BE RICH BEYOND IMAGINATION!!!

(more so then we already are :smileyvery-happy

I was patient for a very long time.

I"m done being patient. If you are satisified with the way things are then fine. Thats your right.

I didn't ask anyone to join me.

But don't expect me to shut up. I'll continue to post my opinion here. My patience has ran out.

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