Architect Archive
Thread: Bestine Painting Should Be Rare....
There are several rare paintings in the game that you can get from NPC quests.
Allowing us to manufacture certain other paintings is like getting a print from a poster shop.
once again....the problem is really the architects....only profession i know where people actually try to sell things for as little as possible
we could make them rare....sell 5 a month for good money...
but no.....every idiot made a 1000 and flooded the bazaar with them. now there are as wanted as those 500 gungan heads that always are listed
but i really do agree with you...they should be 2 use only
Naufragus wrote:
once again....the problem is really the architects....only profession i know where people actually try to sell things for as little as possible
we could make them rare....sell 5 a month for good money...
but no.....every idiot made a 1000 and flooded the bazaar with them. now there are as wanted as those 500 gungan heads that always are listed
but i really do agree with you...they should be 2 use only
OMG! Do my eyes decieve me? We try to sell things for as little as possible? Not flaming you buddy, but the only reason we sell low is because customers don't want to pay the prices! I get yelled at for my prices and my stuff is pretty low.
We (myself included) don't mind paying 10-20cpu or more for a pistol or set of armor yet you try to charge that much for a harvester or a house and you'll go out of business.
Sometimes I long for the day when OUR stuff decay's like others do. Othertimes I just do my job.
Someone brought up a good point. The bestine paintings should be allowed to run as a factory schematic. Just picture it like this. Your buying the rights to a painting to retail/mass sell lithographs of the painting. Like going into walmart and buying a poster. Others are limited and only obtainable via quests and only1 per char. Those are you high priced items.
If I wanted to (for example) I could ask Ty Wilson (for those who know his work) and say I would like to mass produce one of your pieces for 48k and make 2 runs of 1000 lithographs. Mother may I. He agrees, we finalize a business agreement. I pay 48k for a limited print master that I can run 2000 copies of. And blam.
Makes sense to me.
The painting quest is in the voting stage now and I went and voted in Bestine last night. However, I also noticed that the museum curator is still selling the painting schematic for the 1st painting. And I was able to buy another schematic from him. I'm pretty sure I bought one from him already. I had assumed that you wouldn't be able to buy more than one for some reason. I'd recommend picking up a couple spares to tuck away in your bank deposit box for the future, might be worth it.
MadDragoon wrote:
Naufragus wrote:
once again....the problem is really the architects....only profession i know where people actually try to sell things for as little as possible
we could make them rare....sell 5 a month for good money...
but no.....every idiot made a 1000 and flooded the bazaar with them. now there are as wanted as those 500 gungan heads that always are listed
but i really do agree with you...they should be 2 use only
OMG! Do my eyes decieve me? We try to sell things for as little as possible? Not flaming you buddy, but the only reason we sell low is because customers don't want to pay the prices! I get yelled at for my prices and my stuff is pretty low.
We (myself included) don't mind paying 10-20cpu or more for a pistol or set of armor yet you try to charge that much for a harvester or a house and you'll go out of business.
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Personally I don't mind the way the Bestine painting system currently works...to make a factory run you need to obtain a lot of the same type of hide...not an extremely easy to thing come by on my server (lots of little amounts, not a big supply of the same kind in one place)...So unless your a scout or have a scout friend making a run of 1000 can take awhile...not impossible of course, but selling at 1K each does make it ridiculously poor economics at that point...
These paintings will become rare...Eventually the schematic won't be available anymore (or until they are voted back in)...And yes, people are stocking up on schematics, but even those will run low at some point...
Even if the Dev's did make the schematics not work with factories, where would that leave us...We'd have a 48K schematic that produces 2 paintings...price wars would get the sale price of the paintings down to something like 25K each...not to much incentive there...
When the paintings first came out I was selling them at 25K each...Then another person started selling them at 20K each...then another at 15K each....some are selling them on my server for 10K each...I lowered my price down to 15K and I am sitting on a supply for when they become hard to get...I still sell them pretty much daily at 15K each...But I definitely plan on raising the price when the schematic becomes unavailable...That's the value of art 
It should appreciate in value...I don't compete any lower with those who underoffer my cost of 15K per painting, instead I rely on my location being easy to get to and often frequented...
Anyone selling paintings at 10K or less when they could get 15K or more is just plain silly...Doesn't matter how many your factory can crank out...you still have resouce cost, power, etc...your underselling your product...Call that greed if you want, but 15 paintings per case selling each at 10K equals 150,000 where as 15 paintings at 15K equals 225,000...
And if anyone is interested, I also have been selling them by the case to other vendors interested in selling them...70K for a case of 5 (5K savings) or case of 15 for 210K (15K savings)...most vendors jump at this deal as the paintings are a draw to their vendors raising their own sales....
I would like to see the voting taken from every 2 weeks to every week...it would be nice to get new painting schematics faster, but I can understand the Dev's wanting to space things out....
Another idea, if anyone wants to use it...Go stock up on Grunda Paintings...get tons (since they are free if you do the Narmle mission)...I sold them at 1K each mainly as a draw to get people to my vendor...most people who bought one also ended up buying a Krayt Skeleton painting and other stuff off my vendor...
Anyway...just my opinion...I like having something new to sell as an Architect that people actually want not matter their profession needs...
Tucking some away is a good investment. I'm running a few more right now. I just spent several days on Dath helping Dedra get TKM and I've got hide.. yet I also use it for other things so I was limited to my schematic runs.
atreidesx2 wrote:
I don't know if people are aware but the paintings that are currently available will change and you will be able to buy a new picture schematic.The contest to select the new schematic as begun.Therefore with the current picture off the schematic purchase market and the resources needed to make that schematicdwindlingthis painting will disappear from the bazaars within the next month. Ok a new picture will be in its place. But after several months there will start to become a market for paintings with the older schematics being the rarer ones.
I therefore personally see this a great why of giving the architects a steady income and in months to come a new market of old paintings versus new painting. It gives the possibilty of art galleries set up of different paintings where some are new and some are old.
Please give this concept of the game time to settle in, we waited many months for something like this and people just moan about it. Well done SOE now do something similar for rugs.
The paintings will be rarer and rarer as each time passes. It's the same concept with resources. Example Phrik alum hasn't spawned in a while. A partner of mine was gonna pay 10cpu for some. I told them to hold off. It'll come back. A week later it went up to 20cpu. They got mad at me for suggesting them to hold off. They really didn't need it. The next day it spawned. These paintings aren't endless designs. But you never know when you'll get the same painting again. So making factory runs is a good thing. Keeps the market price steady, and the new ppl just joining the game the ability to have something that us veterans already have.
Helps in business from both in-game and out of game IMO. Let it be. If anything and you feel it must be tampered with, limit the painting schematic to 1 run only. That will force us to gather more resource to make sure we can factory run the max possible. Either way, it's still a good option. We're already hounded almost daily by customers complaining that our price is to high, our price is to low (granted I dont' think any of us has had that complaint) and our cost per unit is no where near that of other professions. But this gives us a somewhat level edge in the market place. And with the new option to raise furniture paintings are and will be a much wanted thing. We have a little more use than just making potted plants and couches. LOL
Holy Crap!
I must mass produse these paintings LOL
Well looks like I am off to bestine heh heh heh
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