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Thread: A Miners Message: Sent To Thunderheart
(Sir, As the Players Representative I am sending this to you Alone. Feel free to forward this to anyone you deem might be interested.) Greetings, My name is I'Thoth from the Lowca server. My guess is that in the future the developers will/might think to change how the Admin works on Structures and Harvestors/Factories. I would Like to take the time to show and Explain My business model to those who might be interested as well as discuss the potential detriments they might forsee of us doing our chosen vocation. I have over 300 harvestors and spend a great deal of my time simply doing that alone. It takes 3 hours just to retrieve the resources from them and twice that to add the cash and power bi-monthly. For those of you Not aware..that equates to 30 million credits and 30 million units of power I put into them Bi-Monthly. This also does not include the Storage facilities i operate to store all this stuff befor the weekly sale as well as storing some of the excess that dosent. I rotate my stock and Have a thread I Update Weekly at http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=lowca_trade&message.id=79583. Before any decision is made on this endevor...I would greatly appritiate it if I might be allowed to champion the Miners Cause, By showing Those who might be interested EXACTLY what I do and the Cost vs Gain of what we do. We are always at risk of those we lot trade with deleting their chars..as well as the Market trends and the Competition of others doing what we do better or cheaper. Any way I am not the best writer to be had...But if anyone even wishes to learn about what we do from the ground by a Real Mining Co...not from some odd data gained from the servers....I am willing to spend as much time decribing things as is neded or desiered. Thank You for reading this and considering this Porposal, I'Thoth Helfire Mining Co. LOK / Lowca
I would really Like to start discvussing the options and think about things as they might, so when it finally comes..we have a well thought out and reasonable Face to give to them...complete with Solutions and compromises to their potential issues.
Thank You for your time, And I hope to continue this discussion with you all,
I'Thoth
Message Edited by ThothTheWise on 06-12-200404:40 AM
Message Edited by ThothTheWise on 06-12-2004 04:42 AM
Message Edited by ThothTheWise on 06-13-2004 12:26 AM
(Sir, As the Players Representative I am sending this to you Alone. Feel free to forward this to anyone you deem might be interested.)
Greetings,
My name is I'Thoth from the Lowca server. My guess is that in the future the developers will/might think to change how the Admin works on Structures and Harvestors/Factories.
I would Like to take the time to show and Explain My business model to those who might be interested as well as discuss the potential detriments they might forsee of us doing our chosen vocation.
I have over 300 harvestors and spend a great deal of my time simply doing that alone. It takes 3 hours just to retrieve the resources from them and twice that to add the cash and power bi-monthly.
For those of you Not aware..that equates to 30 million credits and 30 million units of power I put into them Bi-Monthly. This also does not include the Storage facilities i operate to store all this stuff befor the weekly sale as well as storing some of the excess that dosent.
I rotate my stock and Have a thread I Update Weekly at http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=lowca_trade&message.id=79583.
Before any decision is made on this endevor...I would greatly appritiate it if I might be allowed to champion the Miners Cause, By showing Those who might be interested EXACTLY what I do and the Cost vs Gain of what we do. We are always at risk of those we lot trade with deleting their chars..as well as the Market trends and the Competition of others doing what we do better or cheaper.
Any way I am not the best writer to be had...But if anyone even wishes to learn about what we do from the ground by a Real Mining Co...not from some odd data gained from the servers....I am willing to spend as much time decribing things as is neded or desiered.
Thank You for reading this and considering this Porposal,
I'Thoth
Helfire Mining Co.
LOK / Lowca
I would really Like to start discvussing the options and think about things as they might, so when it finally comes..we have a well thought out and reasonable Face to give to them...complete with Solutions and compromises to their potential issues.
Thank You for your time, And I hope to continue this discussion with you all,
I'Thoth
(Sir, As the Players Representative I am sending this to you Alone. Feel free to forward this to anyone you deem might be interested.)
Greetings,
My name is I'Thoth from the Lowca server. My guess is that in the future the developers will/might think to change how the Admin works on Structures and Harvestors/Factories.
I would Like to take the time to show and Explain My business model to those who might be interested as well as discuss the potential detriments they might forsee of us doing our chosen vocation.
I have over 300 harvestors and spend a great deal of my time simply doing that alone. It takes 3 hours just to retrieve the resources from them and twice that to add the cash and power bi-monthly.
For those of you Not aware..that equates to 30 million credits and 30 million units of power I put into them Bi-Monthly. This also does not include the Storage facilities i operate to store all this stuff befor the weekly sale as well as storing some of the excess that dosent.
I rotate my stock and Have a thread I Update Weekly at http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=lowca_trade&message.id=79583.
Before any decision is made on this endevor...I would greatly appritiate it if I might be allowed to champion the Miners Cause, By showing Those who might be interested EXACTLY what I do and the Cost vs Gain of what we do. We are always at risk of those we lot trade with deleting their chars..as well as the Market trends and the Competition of others doing what we do better or cheaper.
Any way I am not the best writer to be had...But if anyone even wishes to learn about what we do from the ground by a Real Mining Co...not from some odd data gained from the servers....I am willing to spend as much time decribing things as is neded or desiered.
Thank You for reading this and considering this Proposal,
I'Thoth
Helfire Mining Co.
LOK / Lowca
I would really Like to start discvussing the options and think about things as they might, so when it finally comes..we have a well thought out and reasonable Face to give to them...complete with Solutions and compromises to their potential issues.
Thank You for your time, And I hope to continue this discussion with you all,
I'Thoth
(Sir, As the Players Representative I am sending this to you Alone. Feel free to forward this to anyone you deem might be interested.) Greetings, My name is I'Thoth from the Lowca server. My guess is that in the future the developers will/might think to change how the Admin works on Structures and Harvestors/Factories. I would Like to take the time to show and Explain My business model to those who might be interested as well as discuss the potential detriments they might forsee of us doing our chosen vocation. I have over 300 harvestors and spend a great deal of my time simply doing that alone. It takes 3 hours just to retrieve the resources from them and twice that to add the cash and power bi-monthly. For those of you Not aware..that equates to 30 million credits and 30 million units of power I put into them Bi-Monthly. This also does not include the Storage facilities i operate to store all this stuff befor the weekly sale as well as storing some of the excess that dosent. I rotate my stock and Have a thread I Update Weekly at http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=lowca_trade&message.id=79583. Before any decision is made on this endevor...I would greatly appritiate it if I might be allowed to champion the Miners Cause, By showing Those who might be interested EXACTLY what I do and the Cost vs Gain of what we do. We are always at risk of those we lot trade with deleting their chars..as well as the Market trends and the Competition of others doing what we do better or cheaper. Any way I am not the best writer to be had...But if anyone even wishes to learn about what we do from the ground by a Real Mining Co...not from some odd data gained from the servers....I am willing to spend as much time decribing things as is neded or desiered. Thank You for reading this and considering this Proposal, I'Thoth Helfire Mining Co. LOK / Lowca
I would really Like to start discvussing the options and think about things as they might, so when it finally comes..we have a well thought out and reasonable Face to give to them...complete with Solutions and compromises to their potential issues.
Thank You for your time, And I hope to continue this discussion with you all,
I'Thoth
Message Edited by ThothTheWise on 06-12-200404:44 AM
Message Edited by ThothTheWise on 06-12-200404:45 AM
Message Edited by ThothTheWise on 06-12-2004 04:46 AM
Message Edited by ThothTheWise on 06-13-2004 12:23 AM
Nice Thoth, I'll keep an eye out for anymore news.
ThothTheWise wrote:
Greetings,
The Rumour Mill is whispering about The Devs possibly changing how the administration of all structures functions.
Come the Space Expansion and the "influx" of newer players, I'm hearing that they feel those of us who have done extensive LOT Trades will have an unfair advantage over them.
Ive never set much stock in Rumour Mills myself, especially those within MMOGs. Have you seen anything posted by a Dev as of yet?
Not that I've anything against the content of your post (not even sure I understand your concerns!), but I'm curious to know how you come to call yourself "The Players' Representative"?
ThothTheWise wrote:
(Sir, As the Players Representative I am sending this to you Alone. Feel free to forward this to anyone you deem might be interested.)
They are all crossserver Lot trades. But if they changhe admin it will affect Those who Lottrade and Those who Hire from on the server.
The main reason I am inquiering and trying to get some feed back..is mainly for OTHER people. I am already an established Miner and keep active contact with my Lot traded folks. Not to mention i put in approx 30 mill upkeep in them every two months ...and they are even now prepaid untill augest. By augest if things continue i would expect enough income to operate for anywhere from 4 to 6 months without really worrying about it. But if they change it what i will do is give me sometyhing I didn't work for...a monopoly.
so i'm trying to get some feeling on 1) how people view what i do..and 2 how people view these supposed changes.
I live in a vaccume of running harvestors on LOK...3 hours to check/change them all is alot of my time. So asl i know is people buy...i do not know their feelings on the method used. My server seems ok with it as I have made a few posts about it...but Lowca is a tad on the "No ones playing much anymore" anyway so i suppose theres less people to offend there =P
Some of the bigger servers might be having problems with this..hence Why I'm out talking about it. I need to learn what the issues are (besides the obvious Dev concerns about crap loads of storage space and drain on database)...they always state that one =P
Like i said..since I'm established..if i wanted to conmtinue they really couldnt stop me. I have enough capital to Put cash in therm for months at a time...and fellow miners on other servers would simply save up and do the same..and we would all gather once every few months to upkeep them on eachothers servers. I'm just trying to see what the issues are from other peoples points of view.
I really dont expect anychanges at all till after the SE. theres simply to many people hoarding stuff in preperation....imagine if they devs stated that things were going to change....
People are beginning to use factories as storage sheds...not one or two mind you...i personally know of atleast one with a small house and 8 factories he uses JUST as storage sheds.
What I would LIKE to see happen:
Devs Compromise. If the Harvestors (which i feel is their main issue) are placed within 450 meters of a Cities Center (note i didn't say Within the cities Limits) Then it would be flagged as being able to have old style admin rights. If it does not fall within the 450 meter bubble then you may not share admin status.
What this does is get rid of Lot Traded harvestors outside of a predefined area. They fear people like me with my 60 heavy harvestor static fleets oput in the middle of nowhere using up and thereby "possessing" territory that they hadnt accounted for.
Since a city is there to take up space and "hold territory" anyway..being permitted to place harvestors within 450 meters of a city hall center does no harm. As it is half of my fleets are within 450 meters of my city hall. I keep my city small so it is affordable. the rest of my fleets are 1k meters from the city ...but i'm lso on LOK. I swear theres people who dont even know where LOK is.
But i bet naboo, tat ect ect..ya know the noob no risk planets...are just flooded with harvestors. I dont go there much LOL
Lok is dangerous and fun. Mercs attacking you as your doing harvestor runs can be a tad challenging with no armour/buffs =P not to mention 6 kimos spawning in the middle of your fleet =P
I thinks it's a good thing overall cross server lot trading be stopped. That just isn't the way it should work.
I also think with the death of the hologrind coming upon us, the resource market is gonna shrink back quite a bit. Forcing alot of miners out of business, and perhaps creating more fierce competition in the market.
KnightHawk420 wrote:
I thinks it's a good thing overall cross server lot trading be stopped. That just isn't the way it should work.
I also think with the death of the hologrind coming upon us, the resource market is gonna shrink back quite a bit. Forcing alot of miners out of business, and perhaps creating more fierce competition in the market.
Oh on Lowca thats been happening long ago. About what..4 months ago the attrition began...and its a virtual ghost server. theres people on...dont get me wrong..but hardly what it was. Most servers are that way now. AFK or simply not playing.
My main worry is that they cannot really stop us. They can make it a tad more of a hassle..but the Miner vocation will live on. Miners from other servers will just start banding together and form a crossserver conglomerate that deals only with other crossserver dedicated miners.
And if that happens (since in general people are a tad lazy and dont like doing alot of the crap harvesting work) then it effectivly stops others from being able to compete freely and equally.
Because if i can play the laws of averages and sell everything for say 2cpu to 3cpu...and during the crossserver lottrade have the gent put cash into the harvestors (and power) enough for 3 to 6 months ahead of time...how will You compete?
Thats why I'm here asking and trying to see if others have looked at it as deply as I think I am.
Ethalsar wrote:
Not that I've anything against the content of your post (not even sure I understand your concerns!), but I'm curious to know how you come to call yourself "The Players' Representative"?
ThothTheWise wrote:
(Sir, As the Players Representative I am sending this to you Alone. Feel free to forward this to anyone you deem might be interested.)
Lol my typing and grammer aren't the best...TH is the representative i was refering to. My apologies for my poor writing skills.
GarenTore wrote:
Ive never set much stock in Rumour Mills myself, especially those within MMOGs. Have you seen anything posted by a Dev as of yet?
according to a news artical on SWGWarcry a gent made a nice post accounting things he heard from the fan fest. This is something they are thinking about.
My Mentor who actually Started the core of what i now run (he has left the game =( ) was a lawyer in Austin..with Dev "connections" probably drinking buddies Lol, at anyrate they were well aware of what is/was going on and have been studying the the economics end of all this kind of stuff for months now. He brought up this "rumor" to me once as a real possibility of the future of the business almost 4 months ago.
I am not for or against it really. I simply do not feel they can stop the dedicated Miner Vocation Entierly. What will possibly happen is that the dedicated Miners will simply Band together crossserver and set up huge crossserver conglomerates that Lot Trade only with themselves....logging on every few months as needed to put enough cash/power into the harvestors to get them thru a few more month..then rinse and repeat.
If that happens it will really screw up the normal free market compitition and Market Controlls that are already in place. Right now ANYONE can sell minerals for between 2 and 4cpu and make a good profit just by doing a few LotTrades and playing the laws of averages.. If they make it so that people are working with Less Harvestors except for the dedicated Few who band together and do it hardcore ..then what will hapen is they will have forced a monoploly situation to come into being.
Its about effort vs gain, right now theres no fears and trust is generally well done...so people Lottrade knowing they really only have to trust the person not to delete their toon. If in the future they also have to rely on them to actually come and upkeep them...less people will do it...leaving a massive vaccume for those of us who are organized and dedicated enough to really Own parts of ourServers Mineral Markets.