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Thread: It's official -- the loot schematics have been nerfed :(

Ty-Kaz
Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:57 am
#1

I just logged in, tried to make a console, and the option for the manufacturing schematic has been removed Grrrrrr, when will the dev's start giving us architects some of that much needed love?!?!?!?!?!?




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Pawlin
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:03 pm
#2

Um, I hate to ask but can someone test it with a Bestine museum painting?



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Braydin
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:08 pm
#3

I knew i shoudl have made that schematic for the console with the screens last night! Dang it sony.. Normally I try to be constructive in my post, bu tthis is about the dumbest $#%&*^ thing you have done in recent history. These schematics shoudl have been permanent and not 1 use only in the first place, now we cant even make a manufacturing schematic out of it for factories! Thanks for nothing, so far your loot upgrade is a total loss.. Here are the things that are wrong with it...


A.) Loot frequency seems to actually be down unless you are killing CL 5 mobs which is up. Espically in JTL

B.) Level Approiate Loot was a total lie, I am still getting crap on CL30ish mobs I wouldnt use on a novice profession

C.) Furniture Schematics that require architect tools, but tailor or smuggler skill

D.) A master Architect level chest that has finally been added, that was added as a Master Artisan item (this is likely a bug i know but you missed it)

E.) 1 use schematics for the furniture, yet other professions have had perminant draft schematics added in the past year (our last was player city stuff)

F.) and now you further SCREW us by taking away our ability to use the factory to make the items... LAME LAME LAME!!!!




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Raezer
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:17 pm
#4

This is just annoying, oh well, another item in the game that is goign to be worth tons




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raz1337
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:18 pm
#5

WTA PRE-NERF WANTED LEIA POSTER 2 MILL



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Pawlin
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:26 pm
#6

I think yet again we have an example of what SOE intended to happen verus what actually happens.


My guess is that it probably went down like this: SOE probably always wanted the loot schematics to be single use. Yet they implemented them wrong so that it allowed for you to make a manufacturing schematic. So of course people went ahead and did so. Apparently either SOE didn't think we'd make manufacturing schematics or they just implemented it sloppy and failed to remove that option from the loot schematics. When people made factory runs it caused the items to beabundant but SOE probably wants them to be uber rare. Then they have to decide to 'fix' it through a nerf so it is the way they wanted initially or leave it the way it was implemented which isn't how they want it to work. So they decided to fix itafter the fact which amounts to a nerf at this point. Which will of course piss of players.



Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
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Ty-Kaz
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:35 pm
#7

So here's the question of the day: did the price of schematics just tank, or did the price of the crafted good go through the roof?!?




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Raezer
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:35 pm
#8






Pawlin wrote:

I think yet again we have an example of what SOE intended to happen verus what actually happens.


My guess is that it probably went down like this: SOE probably always wanted the loot schematics to be single use. Yet they implemented them wrong so that it allowed for you to make a manufacturing schematic. So of course people went ahead and did so. Apparently either SOE didn't think we'd make manufacturing schematics or they just implemented it sloppy and failed to remove that option from the loot schematics. When people made factory runs it caused the items to beabundant but SOE probably wants them to be uber rare. Then they have to decide to 'fix' it through a nerf so it is the way they wanted initially or leave it the way it was implemented which isn't how they want it to work. So they decided to fix itafter the fact which amounts to a nerf at this point. Which will of course piss of players.





lol, soe seems to never get it right the first time...


Ok now i'm clueless on what I should charge on this furniture, I was doing 10k, now what? 100k?





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Braydin
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:37 pm
#9






Pawlin wrote:

I think yet again we have an example of what SOE intended to happen verus what actually happens.


My guess is that it probably went down like this: SOE probably always wanted the loot schematics to be single use. Yet they implemented them wrong so that it allowed for you to make a manufacturing schematic. So of course people went ahead and did so. Apparently either SOE didn't think we'd make manufacturing schematics or they just implemented it sloppy and failed to remove that option from the loot schematics. When people made factory runs it caused the items to beabundant but SOE probably wants them to be uber rare. Then they have to decide to 'fix' it through a nerf so it is the way they wanted initially or leave it the way it was implemented which isn't how they want it to work. So they decided to fix itafter the fact which amounts to a nerf at this point. Which will of course piss of players.






What is the of a 1 use schematic? Why not just have the mob drop a couch, or a tech console? And dont you dare say immersion.. if immersion was the answer the wanted posters would be available only to imperials thru faction purchase or thru something similiar to the bestine museum, going to a faction NPC and requesting one. If immersion was the issue they woudl have accurately fixed loot drop rates and level approiateness of drops. If immersion was the issue we wouldnt see jedi batteling it out in the coronet star port, because they would be slapped down by Vader or the Council for exposing force powers.. Why make these items craftable at all, why not make more loot kits? And why does anything nice or new in this game HAVE to be RARE? In this case furniture... it has absoutely NO effect on the balance of the game, just in the enjoyment of what we do during our Non combat times.



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Dvnce
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:37 pm
#10






Pawlin wrote:

I think yet again we have an example of what SOE intended to happen verus what actually happens.


My guess is that it probably went down like this: SOE probably always wanted the loot schematics to be single use. Yet they implemented them wrong so that it allowed for you to make a manufacturing schematic. So of course people went ahead and did so. Apparently either SOE didn't think we'd make manufacturing schematics or they just implemented it sloppy and failed to remove that option from the loot schematics. When people made factory runs it caused the items to beabundant but SOE probably wants them to be uber rare. Then they have to decide to 'fix' it through a nerf so it is the way they wanted initially or leave it the way it was implemented which isn't how they want it to work. So they decided to fix itafter the fact which amounts to a nerf at this point. Which will of course piss of players.






Never really been intended for ANY limited use Schematic to be made into a factory Schematic.. really..




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Ty-Kaz
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:38 pm
#11

That's kinda what I'm thinking. I'm stocking at 20k right now. Do I bump the price up to 100k? Do I blow out my stock made with manufacturing schematics at 20k, then raise the price? Hmmmm...What to do, what to do




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Ty-Kaz
Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:41 pm
#12






Dvnce wrote:


Never really been intended for ANY limited use Schematic to be made into a factory Schematic.. really..






Hmmm...what about the Bestine paintings? Were they "intended" to only make 3 paintings per schematic? The only thing this does, by making a one-to-one ratio, is inflate our already inflated economy. I'mthe type of merchant would would rather sell more for less, than less for more. So now I'll be stocking a furniture vendor in the 100credit to 7k range, and the new special furniture in the 100k range? That seems rather silly.




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The largest fine art museum.
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Outside in Libertas Rori (3525 -1648)

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Mor-Dan
Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:00 pm
#13



Braydin wrote:
I knew i shoudl have made that schematic for the console with the screens last night! Dang it sony.. Normally I try to be constructive in my post, bu tthis is about the dumbest $#%&*^ thing you have done in recent history. These schematics shoudl have been permanent and not 1 use only in the first place, now we cant even make a manufacturing schematic out of it for factories! Thanks for nothing, so far your loot upgrade is a total loss.. Here are the things that are wrong with it...
A.) Loot frequency seems to actually be down unless you are killing CL 5 mobs which is up. Espically in JTL
B.) Level Approiate Loot was a total lie, I am still getting crap on CL30ish mobs I wouldnt use on a novice profession
C.) Furniture Schematics that require architect tools, but tailor or smuggler skill
D.) A master Architect level chest that has finally been added, that was added as a Master Artisan item (this is likely a bug i know but you missed it)
E.) 1 use schematics for the furniture, yet other professions have had perminant draft schematics added in the past year (our last was player city stuff)
F.) and now you further SCREW us by taking away our ability to use the factory to make the items... LAME LAME LAME!!!!






weaponsmith has NEVER gotten a perm schem since launch, only temps.



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