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Anyone know what the percentage is? I've hit 92% on a couple heavy's and still only gotten a 12 rate out of it, and thats using some very good resources.

The final rate that you get is dependent on TWO things - the quality of the "mining" component (e.g, Ore Mining Unit, Fluidic Drilling Pump) and the quality of your final assembly. If you have a very good mining component (e.g., +96%), then you can hit BER13 with a final assembly in the high 80s, I believe. If your mining component is crap, you will NEVER hit BER13.

Check the first 2-3 pages here - there are lots of threads about - in detail - hitting the highest rating harvesters.

You need to get your components (ore mining units, heaving harvesting units, turbo fluidic drives, etc) to a base extraction rate of 6 - and ideally up to 97% on experimentation.

If you have done that, and you are using good quality duralloy steel and decent katrium ore, then you should hit BER13 at around the 84% mark, the remaining experimentation points can then be used on hopper sizes (oh and forget about getting to BER14 - it can't be done as you need 100% experimentation and that requires resources with UT, SR & HR of 1000 each!!).

Must be making a floral, chemical, or gas harvester if your hitting 92% and still not getting a BER 13. I would have to say you nee to relook at your Fluidic Drilling or Harvesting componet. Thats the only thing that would keep you from making a BER 13 if your hitting 92% in the final consturction.

the mining unit componant must say ber 6 before you do anything else... if this says 4 or 5 then it doesnt matter what you do during experimentation of the end product, you will never make ber 13's.

I have hit BER 13 on a Heavy mineral with 2 experimental points left, The percent that it hits is88 or 89%, this is assuming that you have a Ore mining unit that has a BER of 6, all of the other Heavys I have to use all my points, sometimes I can get one left for storage but not often.

People keep talking about having your "OMU be at 6". All the indications that I've seen are that this doesn't tell the whole story. I just ignore it, and get the quality as high as possible. So yes, you want it to read "6", but experiment it as high as you can - I label mine "OMU +96%" (or whatever) when I make the schematic.

ZenDragonMLS,,, I am curious, you said that " all the idications that you've seen" What indications that you've seen make you think that. I am just curious to what makes the difference between a 89% OMU BER 6 and a 94% OMU BER 6.. I have made several factory runs of low % OMU BER 6 and high % OMU BER 6 and I haven't seen a bit of difference in the outcome for a Heavy BER 13???????,, the one thing that I might incurr is this, that if you are using better materials were you can reach a 97% or a 98% or heck a 99%, then you might be less likely to occur a crit fail on experimenting. but that is just my thought process.

Some indicaters (but all subject to imperfect human memory ):

I had a +83% OMU that (I *think*) said "rate=6") and a +87% OMU. Using the same resources on final assembly I made two fusions (where we can't experiment on the final). The one with the +83% OMU came out 13, the one with the +87 came out 14.

A guy (Reegan) over at The Amazon Basin forums (www.theamazonbasin.com/swg) postulated that the formula for final BER was something like this (from memory):

final BER = a base value for that type of harvester + floor((mining unit quality + final assembly quality)/25)

That is, it was the *quality* of the mining unit rather than the integer "rate" that determined the result.

BTW - a different indication that the game truncates for display purposes can be found in your harvesters "operate" menu. If you put a BER10 harvester down on a spot and look in the operate menu, you might see the concentration displayed as 83%. However, if you look at the displayed extraction rate (left column) you might see "8.33". It makes you wonder which number (the BER=10 or the concentration=83) got truncated - but clearly one of them did.

Zen is correct. The % of the mining unit will affect the final BER of harvesters. The fact that the mining unit says its a BER of 6 doesn't guaranty that you will be able to hit the BER of 13 or 14. This isn't such when making Mineral Harvesters, as the % is much lower then what is need to make floral, chem and Fusions harvesters. The % need to hit BER 13's/14's require a 92%+ in order to reach the max BER, unlike the 78%+ need to the Mineral harvesters.

This is why when we speak of harvesters in general that you want the extermination to be 92%+ to reach the max BER in the mining unit and in the final constitution, because if this is reached you will always be able to hit the max BER for all harvesters.

Not trying to hijack this post heh, but I can easily hit BER 13 on the heavy flora and minerals, but when I craft the deep crust chems, high efficiency moisture vaporator and heavy gas all i can get is BER 12 even with a final experiment of 95%. I usually hit BER 13 on the mineral and flora around the mid-80% range. I am using the same resources to craft the final assembly and the mining components i.e. ore mining unit, turbo fluid pump etc. all of them are BER 6.

Don't want to beat a dead horse but this thing is driving me nuts!!

I know i must be missing something but I am using excellent materials. Any suggestions?

Lan Master Architect

Chilastra

Some thoughts:

1. steel, metal, and ore used in final assembly must have HR,SR,UT over 900 (it's more complecated than that, but it's a good first pass)
2. use lube oil for the final assembly chemical
3. experiment the "mining" unit (OMU, Turbo Fluidic Drilling Pump, Heavy Harvester) as high as possible - up into the mid 90s

Looking at your specific situation, you can get the Mineral (with OMU) and Flora (with heavy harvester unit) up to 13. However, you can't get the Chem, Gas, Water (ALL of which use the Turbo Fluidic Drilling Pump) up to 13. So my first question would be - what is the quality of your TFDP? Offhand it sounds like it's not high enough.

The turbo pump will definately get redone. Thanks for the help!

Quick question to you though...(hijacking again lol) You say to use Lube Oil in final assembly. I have been using some fiberplast with a UT of 969. All it says touseis "chemical" but what difference does lube oil make that isn't found in the quality rating?

Thanks much!

Lan Master Architect

Chilastra