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i know someone who has, and can build 14's no idea how he does it...but he can, and hes freaking out...not fusions...MINERALS! GACK, lets shoot at him till he tells us

umm, ok... here, take some prozac

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XarCal wrote:
i know someone who has, and can build 14's no idea how he does it...but he can, and hes freaking out...not fusions...MINERALS! GACK, lets shoot at him till he tells us

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That's just mean. =P. Well I know I cant. Maybe if I had all 1000 stats on my materials and experimented the core piece to 100% I could get BER 14. But I dont... but the fact is the game has been proven to hold decimal places that it does not display. Could a 95% BER 13 be, in fact, BER 13.3 while a BER 13 only experimented to 80% be, in fact, a 12.7 that is rounded up?

Has anyone done any sort of testing to see?

I have made Heavy Minerals using 98% OMU's, and 98% on the final. Still 13BER. And when tested next to a 13BER heavy that just barely made it over the line (I stopped putting points into Efficiency as soon as it said 13)...they pulled at the same rate, only minor difference is that the 81% spot the maxedone was on was slightly lower than the 81% spot the "barely" one was on. The listed rates were 10.52 and 10.54...and they had 2 units difference after just under 17 hours (1000 minutes), with the "barely one being higher.

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XarCal wrote:
i know someone who has, and can build 14's no idea how he does it...but he can, and hes freaking out...not fusions...MINERALS! GACK, lets shoot at him till he tells us

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XarCal wrote:
i know someone who has, and can build 14's no idea how he does it...but he can, and hes freaking out...not fusions...MINERALS! GACK, lets shoot at him till he tells us

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Actually, I'll go on the record here. I don't believe you. This isn't a statement about your honesty - it's a statement about confusion / contraints.

We know that there have been a number of very weird results (e.g., Fusions with BER30) at various points in the past that either transformed existing deeds into ones with high stats or allowed people to craft high-stat deeds for a very limited amount of time. So is it possible that a BER14 heavy mineral harvester exists out there? Sure, it's possible.

However, everything that we can figure out about making harvesters since the Dec patch has said that BER13 is the max that can currently be made. About every 2 weeks someone comes in here and says something like "a guy that my friend knows absolutely swears that his cousin can make BER14 harvesters." When challenged, these people either never respond or realize that they were talking about Fusions (which we routinely make at BER14).

So, if you indeed know someone who, since the Dec patch, consistantly hand-crafts a BER14 heavy harvester, all of us would love to know about it. I would create a character on a server and travel to see such a thing.

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Tweaky wrote:
I have made Heavy Minerals using 98% OMU's, and 98% on the final. Still 13BER. And when tested next to a 13BER heavy that just barely made it over the line (I stopped putting points into Efficiency as soon as it said 13)...they pulled at the same rate, only minor difference is that the 81% spot the maxedone was on was slightly lower than the 81% spot the "barely" one was on. The listed rates were 10.52 and 10.54...and they had 2 units difference after just under 17 hours (1000 minutes), with the "barely one being higher.

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that difference is due to the saturation of resource, a small geographical difference will affect the ER. I am certain that if you placed one and checked, then pulled it up and placed the other in the exact same spot then the extraction would be identical for both

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Neclonmite wrote:

AHHHH hijacked. hehe. So everyones absolutely sure that a harvester with barely enough points put in to reach BER 13 harvests just as fast as a 99% expereimented ber 13 harvester?

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I haven't ever purposefully tested it side by side like that.

However, I have made various harvesters with varying experimental results with the same BERand watched the output on them when they are side by side and the output value is the same except for slight differences in resource densities.

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Neclonmite wrote:

AHHHH hijacked. hehe. So everyones absolutely sure that a harvester with barely enough points put in to reach BER 13 harvests just as fast as a 99% expereimented ber 13 harvester?

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I didn't say that. There are two different issues here:

1. Can someone currently make a harvester where the deed explicitly says "BER14"? I believe that the answer to this is a resounding NO.

2. Is it the case that the *actual* operating BER of a deployed harvester is indeed calibrated strictly in "integer" terms? That is, could we have one "BER13" harvester that was actually "13.0000001" and another one that was actually "13.99999999"? It *is* possible that that is the case, but I haven't seen anything conclusive nor even a crisply defined test done.

Here is what I *have* done - I won't pretend that it is conclusive.

1. Made a BER10 chemical harvester and stopped as soon as it said "BER10" (I'd have to find my notes to see what percentage it was - upper 80s IIRC). Made another one and experimented it well up into the 90s.

2. Found a spot with a certain concentration of chemical (e.g., 82%) and put down the "low" harvester. The *display* showed "8.22" actual rate, so that opens the possibility that there is more precision in either the BER *and/or* the "consentration" than shows up in their individual displays.

3. Noted the exact time, turned it on, came back about 24 hours later, noted the exact time, stopped it, and recorded the amount in the hopper (so I could calculate the exact pumping rate).

4. Unfortunately, any measurement like this that goes over a server reset seems doomed. For whatever reason you miss "some" of the pumping during that period, and since you don't know how much you missed, you can't calculate a true rate vs time. I guess you could turn it on first thing in the morning and take your measurement late at night, so that you'd get 15-20 hours of pumping - but I didn't do that.

5. Then I picked up that harvester and put down - *in the exact same spot* - the "high" harvester. By putting it down on the same spot I was trying to avoid any variation in the concentration.

6. Again, not good measurements over time for the stated reasons. However, the "actual rate" display *still* showed "8.22".

So *if* we believe that "actual display", then I guess I'd conclude that BER really IS an integer function, and that there is no difference between a BER10 that got an 86% and another one that got a 98%.

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XarCal wrote:
i know someone who has, and can build 14's no idea how he does it...but he can, and hes freaking out...not fusions...MINERALS! GACK, lets shoot at him till he tells us

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<cut to scene of PA hall building perched on top of remote mountain in the wilds of Endor>

/steeples-fingers

Hmmm. It appears another one of our brother architects has broken the evil masterarchitect code and revealed our ultimate secret of the super-uber-duper BER 14 harvesters that we've kept super secret because we all just really mean. We will need to hunt down this traitor to the secret society of really mean and evil architects and beat him about the head with our structure modules.

We shall also need to eliminate any non-architects that have read this thread. They know too much...

<assembled evil architect secret society leaders sitted around the large table nod approvingly>

/snaps fingers

<20 large, heavily armed wookiees quicklyappear and kneel before dias>

Hunt them down and show no mercy!!

/clenches-fist

<wookiees run off>

/evil-laugh

/evil-laugh

/evil-laugh