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Thread: A question of ethics
Ya that's where the bolded part comes in. Some very good weaponsmiths have alts as master smugglers or like you have made arrangements with a master smuggler. But none of them would ever slice a custom order unless the owner approved it, you included based on your statement. If masters want to slice their customers work that's great, and many appreciate it but to try and do that on the "sly" is just a really good sign that it's time to find a new smith.
dsurfman wrote:
jason67 wrote:
On our server we have 1000ut iron, and very good copper. Best hammers possible are 5.3/470. Basically you got screwed guranteed. Sounds like he probably used Geo cores on it to help increase the range a little bit and still get the damage up, Should still end up near the same speeds depending on his resources and could easily get into that damage range with a slice. A reputable WS will never slice a weapon for you without at least checking with you first. You got screwed it's up to you if you want to confront him or not but either way find a different smith for future crafting. An acklay Hammer will always come out to roughly 5.9-6.0 speeds. Which means under no circumstances was it possible that your hammers were made with Acklay bones period.
That isn't true...I am a completely reputable Weaponsmith. I work as a cohesive unit with a master smuggler on Tarquinas, and we slice all our work...But then again...All my clients know up front that work comes sliced unless asked otherwise...
Chatti wrote:
Hi there,
nice you got itout this way.
But sad enough there are a few .... let me say strange people, as it seems.
On our Server- Kettemoor, there is maybe another WS like that, or even the same. A friend got the scythe schematic as novice swordsman.
He didnt read something about the how to use... Maybe his fault.
When we met i asked him for his scythe and he said he got it from a nice weaponsmith i should ask too for mine.
He gavethe WS the schematic and the deal was:
One scythe for my friend, one scythe for the weaponsmith and only 300k payment for creating the scythe to the weaponsmith.
Do i have to tell more?
As i talked to my friend he didnt know anything about how the schem worked, the stuff needed, the possibility of building more than 2...
Not really the correct way i think, what do you think?
@ bubbachuggins,
if you could tell me the name of that ws in pm or by online tell i would be happy!
only to keep an eye for myself, thnx
I would say if your friend was happy with what he got out of the scythe that's all that matters really. He's not a weapon smith so there really isn't a need for him to understand the full workings of the schem, just what he wants for them. Yes there is a way to get a total of 4 scythes out of 1 schematic(2 uses), but it also requires that your cubes/agents be in full sets of 7 and you lose a set of those cubes/agents in order to craft the needed schem. I wouldn't say this is terribly out of line but probably a little high. Of course that's based on my server and not yours, prices may vary on your server and it would also depend on what kind of components were used to craft the scythe as to it's value.
Bottom line is that there wasn't anything "Shady" about this deal. Your friend knew what he was getting up front and at what cost and was happy with it. It was probably a little high cost wise on your friends part, but that's like anything else. You sell/buy for what you believe the value to be. The only true way to find the value of any item is to post it up for auction on your servers trade forums. Short of that it's all guess work to determine the current market values of anything. It might also be that on your server one of the needed resources hasn't spawned since the first month SWG was up. I mean who knows what exactly all the circumstances were for your friend and that WS. It sounds high to me but I simply don't have enough information on your server and what the WS used in order to craft these, we dont' even know if he did in fact make 2 scythes out of one schematic use, he may not have had the required components for that as sets of 7 in any quality are difficult to get at best.
The best way to determine if your friend got a raw deal is to do a little research. Find out what scythe schems sell for currently on your trade forums. Then find out what a Scythe with similar stats sells for(must be similar stats as that can drastically effect price). Compare what he paid for the scythe and it's current value compared to what the WS got the Schem for. Doesn't really matter how many uses/scythes the WS can make out of the schem, the only thing that matters is the current market value for both items.
Chatti wrote:
Hi there,
nice you got itout this way.
But sad enough there are a few .... let me say strange people, as it seems.
On our Server- Kettemoor, there is maybe another WS like that, or even the same. A friend got the scythe schematic as novice swordsman.
He didnt read something about the how to use... Maybe his fault.
When we met i asked him for his scythe and he said he got it from a nice weaponsmith i should ask too for mine.
He gavethe WS the schematic and the deal was:
One scythe for my friend, one scythe for the weaponsmith and only 300k payment for creating the scythe to the weaponsmith.
Do i have to tell more?
As i talked to my friend he didnt know anything about how the schem worked, the stuff needed, the possibility of building more than 2...
Not really the correct way i think, what do you think?
@ bubbachuggins,
if you could tell me the name of that ws in pm or by online tell i would be happy!
only to keep an eye for myself, thnx
I wouldn't exactly say your friend was ripped off; just chalk it up to a lesson learned so that when he gets his second scythe schematic he knows it's possible to get up to four total scythes from the schematic. That said, if I were the WS in that situation, I wouldn't have charged your friend 300K on top of getting one of the uses of the schematic. I can make two scythes with that use and sell them forupwards ofa million credits total (more if I get a good slice on them)--that would be more than enough payment for me (provided the customer provides the cubes/pasts for their scythes).
At the very least I think the WS probably should have advised your friend that it was possible to get more than two scythes from the schematic (that's what I do whenever someone asks me to make them a scythe blade). Again though, that's not to say that the WS necessarily cheated your friend--after all, we all bear some responsibility for educating ourselves.
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Aemen wrote:
I'll start by saying that I've just achieved my MD title in the last few days, however I got most of my med exp by running around and healing wounds of folks that were waiting in line for enhancements so I have a decent idea of procedures, price, ect. On Starsider most C-net Doctors charge 15k a set, around prime time the price usually dorps to 12k depending on the number of Doctors, however there is rarely a Doctor on in the early morning
At any rate, I scraped together every penny I had and bought one complete enhancement set and kinda waited around to get up the courage to start my own buff line. Early this morning I checked in before heading to work and found no Doctors but a log of demand (the classic I had a line formed before I fully loaded).
Thinking of supply and demand, and the fact that I wasn't really prepared to buff (no food, ect) I offered 2100+ 3hrs for 20k I sold 10 sets in the half hour I was there and only had 3 people refuse the price. As I was getting read to leave another Doctor showed up and started offer 15k (I lost the last two people in line but wasn't a big deal.)
Now for the question, is this price gouging? My understanding is that if people are willing to pay the price they are inherently agreeing that the price is reasonable... your thoughts?
Hmm. . .Well, if people are paying the price, it may be because they feel they have no choice. Personally, I would never charge anyone 20k for buffs, even ifI am the only Doctor available. I find that when you charge players a fair price, even when they know you could charge more, it builds a loyal customer base. That's just my thoughts on the subject.
Aemen wrote:
Now for the question, is this price gouging? My understanding is that if people are willing to pay the price they are inherently agreeing that the price is reasonable... your thoughts?
The way I see it, really, is if they are willing to pay it then there's no problem. They could've went to Theed to find a doc, or they could've waited around for another Doc to show up. They wanted the buffs right then and decided to pay whatever you asked for.
I don't see it as gouging...just good business *shrug*
Aemen wrote:
Now for the question, is this price gouging? My understanding is that if people are willing to pay the price they are inherently agreeing that the price is reasonable... your thoughts?
vortexala wrote:
The way I see it, really, is if they are willing to pay it then there's no problem. They could've went to Theed to find a doc, or they could've waited around for another Doc to show up. They wanted the buffs right then and decided to pay whatever you asked for.
I don't see it as gouging...just good business *shrug*
I'm going to have to disagree with you. In Business Ethics last semester, they teach you that is what you don't do. Being the only one with an available commodity does justify anabove averageprice for said product.
Not a flame, just an opinion. I think the "they paid it, so there is no issue" attitude is a little too simplistic. I think Doctors that do this will inevitably hurt themselves in the long run, because players have long memories.
Message Edited by DarthMarksman on 02-06-2005 01:39 PM