Architect Archive
Thread: /pay command isn't working on harvs and factories + arguing with Pawlin thread
i kinda agree with you at some point pawlin. that we dont need "lot swaps" but i do help alot on mining own resources. yes i can buy resources from other player to. but as prices have been on ahazi on resources i would have to raise my structure prices above what the market value are on ahazi, but: so would proberly other to since swaps couldent be used.
I think lot swaps are an great asset to game, some dont think so. because us resource gatheres saves time for thoose who dont bother and rather buy resources.
the pay command are good to have. but i have managed to use radial menu on all my harvester on my accounts and on my swaps. just take more time, so i add in more maint per time so dont need to do that to often. if they somehow would take away lot swaps i could do some more combat or other stuff that i find very boring, that would in the end have my leave game. that why i left another mmorpg called anarchy online. it had to little except combat todo. no crafting. just combat. fun yes but i get bored alot in combat. Crafting i like alot more.
i could perectly manage without my lot swaps and still be an architect. i just had to rent/borrow lots from friends or hire miners on same server, or buy resources.
but i know atm i have asked alot of player to rent out lots. and they dont wanna. asked them to mine. and they say nope. not interested takes to much time. this might have changed with no lotswaps. but as it are now i dont see anything wrong with it, and yes we can manage without, just in much lesser scale on producing stuff then we are used to.
but if they did take away /pay command or make it that only owners can use it. that would still be stupid. i may rent from players on same server so i should still be able to use the /pay command and have acess to all stuff except redeeding and naming like now(allthough i would like to get acess to renaming).
well thats my point. not trying to discuss the lot swaps. there been so many trads of this and you have all read em. lol
Message Edited by Alukolli on 08-09-2005 01:18 PM
ya off cource you can. i didnt say you could not do it without lot swaps. i just said you would do it in lesser scale. thats it akkori.
beside architect arent my maint income source. its resources i sell the most off. thats why i use lot swaps(if you were refering to me 
if they dont mess with the admin rights on havrester other place i am fine, since i have more then 1account and use most 1 char when doing harvester stuff.
Message Edited by Alukolli on 08-09-2005 05:16 PM
Elyssa wrote:
I NEED 100mil cr.
Akkori wrote:
Man, I was just beginning to miss seeing a lot swap thread....
Tzosskinati wrote:
..... I couldnt produce 150 heavies every 2 weeks @ 75k each and buy my resources at 2-3cpu using 5 lots and be able to play the rest of the game.
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There's your problem, and its the second biggest problem Architect faces.
PEOPLE DONT CHARGE ENOUGH
I charge 228k for HMMI, and I sell about 2 a month on average (bursts of 2 to 6 per person every othe rmonth or so).
Two Hundred, Twenty Eight thousand Credits.
At that cost, I am able to hire Miners to get my resources for me. I win, the Miners win, and the Customer wins.
I respectfully suggest that you are not fully taking advantage of your position as an Architect. I would be willing to bet that you, as a dedicated Architect who *wants* to keep a vendor stocked and provide a service to your community, would find the game much more pleasant if you doubled your prices. I promise you will make *at least* the same profit every month. You will sell less, but make the same, and work less for it.
Lot Swaps are not required to run ANY business in the game. I've done them all. With and without lot swaps. I would suggest everyone who is doing it to write up a plan for how you will cope once they are finally taken away. It *is* going to happen. It might be next publish, or sometime in late 2007, but it *will* happen.
Just so we know, Crys is in my guild and his vendors are right across the square from mine. He sells at least $60K+ more on heavies than I do. People still buy from both of us consistantly.
As for lot swaps... It's gonna happen, and you should be prepared.
Fivo Asia
Pawlin wrote:
Talon001 wrote:
true on both points but once the market increases to a price that no one can afford, everyone will lose.
It doesn't hurt us if our goods cost more.
People will always be able to afford harvesters since harvesters are money making machines. I see no reason why the economy cant support higher prices for our goods. Our prices are pretty depressed right now, IMHO.
Maybe it will take 20 days instead of 10 days for a miner torecover 100% of the cost of their harevester investment. Or maybe someone will have to grind missions for 1 hour instead of 30 minutes to buy one. /shrug At the end of the day a harvester still doesn't decay and is as good as it is when they bought it. And any smart investor will see their worth.
What you are failing to realize, as you rationalize why lot swaps dont help your business, is how may harvestors/houses do you think you will sell if every player is limited to 10 lots only eventually your entire market would dry up. Many harvestors/houses/factories are on "borrowed" lots,
diepa wrote:
What you are failing to realize, as you rationalize why lot swaps dont help your business, is how may harvestors/houses do you think you will sell if every player is limited to 10 lots only eventually your entire market would dry up. Many harvestors/houses/factories are on "borrowed" lots,
Dvnce wrote:
diepa wrote:
What you are failing to realize, as you rationalize why lot swaps dont help your business, is how may harvestors/houses do you think you will sell if every player is limited to 10 lots only eventually your entire market would dry up. Many harvestors/houses/factories are on "borrowed" lots,
I disagree that we would see to much of a dip ( initially yes ).. there are a Huge Number of active players on each server that dont even use all their existing lots now as it is.. once it becomes profitable to mine we will see alot of those people starting to get into that income source..
If you have 10 lots, even if you only have one house and decide to be a miner. You can only use 8 harvestors at a time. So they want total coverage so they buy 40 harvestors..5 kinds right? so they can now mine anything..you cant sell him anymore. The players that are buying 30-40 harvestors at a clip are placing them via static lot trades. If they removed this ability, your harvestor sales would plumet.
diepa wrote:
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What you are failing to realize, as you rationalize why lot swaps dont help your business, is how may harvestors/houses do you think you will sell if every player is limited to 10 lots only eventually your entire market would dry up. Many harvestors/houses/factories are on "borrowed" lots,
diepa wrote:
...If you have 10 lots, even if you only have one house and decide to be a miner. You can only use 8 harvestors at a time. So they want total coverage so they buy 40 harvestors..5 kinds right? so they can now mine anything..you cant sell him anymore. The players that are buying 30-40 harvestors at a clip are placing them via static lot trades. If they removed this ability, your harvestor sales would plumet.
bluejanus wrote:
Until I see a patch message that says this was done to get rid of lot swaps, I'm going to keep treating it as a bug. Besides, it doesn't really get rid of them. They just end up as endlessly burning structures across the landscape.
Agreed. I'm sure the /pay command is broken due to a bug.
My talk about it possibly being related to the condemneed harvesters was purely just speculation on my part.
Pawlin wrote:
bluejanus wrote:
Until I see a patch message that says this was done to get rid of lot swaps, I'm going to keep treating it as a bug. Besides, it doesn't really get rid of them. They just end up as endlessly burning structures across the landscape.
Agreed. I'm sure the /pay command is broken due to a bug.My talk about it possibly being related to the condemneed harvesters was purely just speculation on my part.
Pawlin, your speculation privileges have now been suspended for 10k hours. Whatever the ban time is.