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Thread: Is this a known bug?
I haven't yet tried without having the probot attack as well, however I have battled with the probot both grouped and ungrouped.
I guess i wouldn't care that much about a small xp cost for using probot, but only getting 1 fifth the xp?? That's a bit excessive.
Drashk wrote:
Combat Droid use, during combat, reduces the XP that you gain. The more damage that the droid does in combat, the more XP that it will take during combat.
This was changed during post-CU, due to the number of people that were using their now 'uber' combat droids to take out mobs for them, while they gained all of the XP.
XP is shared equally with all group members. There is even a +3% increase to xp for each group member added.Did you not get the memo?
Akkori wrote:
Kinda like how grind groups work now, lol
I never noticed the difference with XP myself between using the droid and not using the droid. But, I would never expect to gain the same XP if it does all the work for me.
Similarly, my CH, Rifleman, Doc character has her XP split across the skills dependant on what she does while that critter is killed. The more I do the more it splits.
When I first started her out the droid did most of the work when fighting something nearer to my level or above. But as my CL grew the droid has become an emergency combat droid only while tagging behind me and boosting my medical repairs to my fellow guildies. When it comes to death or lower xp I know which my guildies would prefer 
I went to CL15 soloing with my droid in tow. But went from 15 to 48 across 3 weekend hunting trips with my level 70-80 guild mates.
Well, I still think it ismessed up. I wasn't looking for the probot to do most of the work, I'm as powerful as the probot is. I guess by what you guys are saying, only REALLY powerful players can get use out of probots because for lower level players it's too powerful.
Maybe there should be more options for the droids, like how often it fires or something, i don't know. But surely a bunch of droid engineers can think a little more critically then just the knee-jerk reaction of assuming I was trying to let the probot do the work for me.
Aglanon wrote:
Maybe there should be more options for the droids, like how often it fires or something, i don't know. But surely a bunch of droid engineers can think a little more critically then just the knee-jerk reaction of assuming I was trying to let the probot do the work for me.
If you're level 28 and the probot is level 30, then any level 28 missions will give reduced XP, right? A group acts as if every member has the highest level of the group. Try this: Take out the droid. Group with the droid. Then draw missions. Are the missions higher in this case, than they would be if you were solo?
Aglanon wrote:
Well, I still think it ismessed up. I wasn't looking for the probot to do most of the work, I'm as powerful as the probot is. I guess by what you guys are saying, only REALLY powerful players can get use out of probots because for lower level players it's too powerful.
Maybe there should be more options for the droids, like how often it fires or something, i don't know. But surely a bunch of droid engineers can think a little more critically then just the knee-jerk reaction of assuming I was trying to let the probot do the work for me.
For 0 Skill point cost to use,there needs to be some form of cost. This cost comes in the form of lowered XP values when it is used in combat. This happens for everyone across the board. This also means that a Level 80 toon that groups up with their Droid, and causes the droid to take on the damage (dealt and received) modifier, is also effected. This is a necessary precaution so that the use of a droid isn't abused for personal gain, when it comes to XP grinding.
I use a combat droid most of the time, when I am mission grinding for credits, as a MCH/MBH. Using 3 CH pets, I can clear out a spawn in approximately 5 mintues. Using 3 CH pets and a combat droid, I can clear out a spawn in approximately 3.5 minutes. The droid makes that big of a difference in well organized combat.
What you call knee-jerking, I call making it so that the system doesn't get abused, so that the Droids are nerfed. If the XP reduction wasn't in place, then the droid or the grouping mechanic would need to be changed, so that droids weren't as useful in combat. Both of which would reduce the effectiveness of being able to use the droid to clear out an area, as a Level 1 crafter. 
Neologist wrote:
It comes down to skill point costs and where the costs are. Droids cost 0 skill points to use. Your comments are flawed because you are comparing something that requires you to spend skill points, with something that requires 0 skill points. I guess I am retarded for seeing what you don't understand.
SnowDog2003 wrote:
If you're level 28 and the probot is level 30, then any level 28 missions will give reduced XP, right? A group acts as if every member has the highest level of the group. Try this: Take out the droid. Group with the droid. Then draw missions. Are the missions higher in this case, than they would be if you were solo?
Droids, and pets, take on the CL of the group, not the other way around. If you group up with your droid, it will assume your level, which in this case would be 28.
Drashk wrote:
What you call knee-jerking, I call making it so that the system doesn't get abused, so that the Droids are nerfed.
That's ridiculous. You're basically saying that you want to completely nullify the usefullness of the probot. For every shot he takes for you, you lose xp, what's the use of having him then?
Neologist wrote:
It comes down to skill point costs and where the costs are. Droids cost 0 skill points to use. Your comments are flawed because you are comparing something that requires you to spend skill points, with something that requires 0 skill points. I guess I am retarded for seeing what you don't understand.
I believe he was referring to the probot as a tool, much like a weapon. Basically again what you are saying is that since it doesn't cost any skill points to get a probot, any of it's usefullness should be completely null and void. Ridiculous.
That's a preposterous response drashk. The skill point "argument" is flawed from the start. Or did I miss where you must invest some amount of skill points into grouping? Yeah, didn't think so.
Since the obvious has escaped you, allow me to enlighten you. Two weapons can be for the same level character and have the same certification, and thefore the same so-called skill point investment, and NOT have the same DOT. Crappy weapons and Great weapons, they exist. If you punish Aglanon for his probot, then you should punish the guy who has a sliced/maxed weapon to equal the same effective xp over time as the guy with the cheap knock off version of the same weapon. It is EXACTLY the same argument as punishing the guy with the probot.
You didn't even address grouping, no surprise there. Looks like you got one thing right. I leave it toyou to figure out what.
No wonder droids suck, the droid engineering correspondent doesn't think they should be valuable.
Message Edited by Neologist on 09-12-2005 05:49 PM
Aglanon wrote:
Drashk wrote:
What you call knee-jerking, I call making it so that the system doesn't get abused, so that the Droids are nerfed.
That's ridiculous. You're basically saying that you want to completely nullify the usefullness of the probot. For every shot he takes for you, you lose xp, what's the use of having him then?
- Protecting folks that don't have combat.
- Increasing overall damage input of those that don't care about XP, which gives a person the ability to still solo in the game.
They have their usefulness. Unfortunately, its all about the numbers game to min/maxers. Unless you have a balancing mechanism in place, to keep people from using the droids to do the job for them, then that is what will happen. Just because you aren't going to do it doesn't mean that 5000 other people won't be doing it in your place.
Neologist wrote:
That's a preposterous response drashk. The skill point "argument" is flawed from the start. Or did I miss where you must invest some amount of skill points into grouping? Yeah, didn't think so.
Since the obvious has escaped you, allow me to enlighten you. Two weapons can be for the same level character and have the same certification, and thefore the same so-called skill point investment, and NOT have the same DOT. Crappy weapons and Great weapons, they exist. If you punish Aglanon for his probot, then you should punish the guy who has a sliced/maxed weapon to equal the same effective xp over time as the guy with the cheap knock off version of the same weapon. It is EXACTLY the same argument as punishing the guy with the probot.
You didn't even address grouping, no surprise there. Looks like you got one thing right. I leave it toyou to figure out what.
No wonder droids suck, the droid engineering correspondent doesn't think they should be valuable.
Your comments were about how anyone should be able to use the Droid and gain the most out of it, without a skill point cost. You were stating that the droid should still give the same XP because it was a tool and were comparing its use to a weapon, which requires skill point use.
You were alsocomparingthat the reduction in the Droid use XP reduction to a weapon XP reduction. This is another flawed comment, since you spend skill points to be able to use the weapon, were as the droid is free of cost.
Grouping is done with other people, that are playing the game. Again, you are trying to compare two different subjects of different values. Grouping with your droid, that is commanded by you is not the same as grouping up with other people.
You are mentioning dots on Weapons, however the damage isn't what is being discussed. Its the XP that you gain when you use a combat droid in combat. Droids are not Dots. You are only listing them as Dots, because that is how you see them begin used. Besides, weren't Dot weapons removed from the game?
And just so that you know, in case you missed it, I am not the Droid Engineer Correspondent.