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Thread: A Miners Message: Sent To Thunderheart
ThothTheWise wrote:
I think he's on Holiday this week Mate.
ThothTheWise wrote:
I release this thread.
Well I'm not "releasing it" until our correspondent answers the questions I posed. We have a right to know whether his personal situation is affecting the position presented to the developers on significant issues.
If not answered in this thread, I'll simply start another one asking him directly.
Ewach wrote:
ThothTheWise wrote:
I release this thread.
Well I'm not "releasing it" until our correspondent answers the questions I posed. We have a right to know whether his personal situation is affecting the position presented to the developers on significant issues.
If not answered in this thread, I'll simply start another one asking him directly.
Ewach, I'm not sure what your point is exactly.
Are you alleging that he's putting his own interests above that of the architect community in general? If so then I'm not at all sure that we have a consensus opinion on the matter of lot sharing among the architect community. There have been a few people arguing pro and con on the topic. But I don't think that can be taken as representative of the architect community as a whole.
If anything it looks like Dvnce has done lot trading but is arguing against it. That seems hes not serving his own interests but instead arguing for what he thinks is the right thing to do. Just because he might currently do lot trading doesn't mean he can't feel nerfing it is for the best. Plenty of people do lot trading simply because its how the system works now. Doesn't mean those same people think it works best.
Pawlin wrote:
Are you alleging that he's putting his own interests above that of the architect community in general?
No - I'm not making any allegations - just asking for facts.
If anything it looks like Dvnce has done lot trading but is arguing against it. That seems he's not serving his own interests but instead arguing for what he thinks is the right thing to do.
That may be partially correct. However, you are missing out on one key piece of information.
The post I referred to, in which he asked for lot trades, stated that he had 20 lots available to trade. One could reasonably conclude that he has (at least) 2 accounts. Perhaps more if he's done other lot trades in the past.
But, for the sake of argument, let's assume it is just two accounts.
That is a KEY POINT of contention with me on this whole lot trade/no lot trade issue. Those with multiple accounts will be less affected by any changes to the current system.
He'll still have his 20 (or more)lots and single account holders will only have 10.
Ewach wrote:
...That is a KEY POINT of contention with me on this whole lot trade/no lot trade issue. Those with multiple accounts will be less affected by any changes to the current system.
He'll still have his 20 (or more)lots and single account holders will only have 10.
Yes. If you pay for 2 accounts then you get the benefit of 2 accounts. There is no escaping that. Ya get what ya pay for.
Why would nerfing cross server lot traded harvesterskill the 1 account player yet spare the 2 account player?
Why do you NEED cross server lot traded harvesters to function as an architect?
Dvnce has clearly stated his reasoning for opposing lot traded harvesters. Yet you ignore that and try to make it an argument about something else. Dvnce has also stated more than once that he buys a lot of the materials he uses in his architect business. For all you know Dvnce is using 20 lots between 2 accounts for his PA's guild hall, a large house and a couple factories. Lay off Dvnce, its not about him.
Yes. If you pay for 2 accounts then you get the benefit of 2 accounts. There is no escaping that. Ya get what ya pay for.
I'm not disputing that - I'm just saying that cross server lot trading (or even same server lot rental) goes a long way towards allowing a single account holder to compete with those with multiple accounts. Some of the proposals put forth (in various threads on lot trading) would impact same server lot rentals as well.
Why would nerfing cross server lot traded harvesterskill the 1 account player yet spare the 2 account player?
I've already explained this in another thread, but I'll do it again. Of the first 10 lots, many of them are dediced to required (or fixed) expenses - a house/shop (2 lots) and say2 structure factories (4 lots) - leaving 4 lots left over.
Assume the 2nd account is a combat template, no need for factories or harvesters for THAT characters own use. In fact, could probably get away without a house even. That makes 8 or 10 lots ADDITIONAL available to the first character. That is not twice as much as a single account holder, it gives the two account architect 300% more "disposable lots" for harvester use and/or more factories than a single account holder.
So, both of them are affected by any changes in cross server lot trading, but the lone account holder is affected to a greater extent.
Why do you NEED cross server lot traded harvesters to function as an architect?
Who said NEED? It's a matter of how I play my architect - you play your way, I play mine.
Lay off Dvnce, its not about him.
How many lots do you have at your disposal right now and what are they used for? How many cross server lot trades are you doing?
Message Edited by Ewach on 07-03-2004 11:06 AM