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Thread: +25 Structure Experimentation/+25 Structure Assembly/+25 Structure Complexity Survey
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RotorofCorRng
Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:31 pm
#14
A guildmate of mine bought me a 6million pair of boots for +13 strucutre experimentation on my server.
PadreBook
Sat Jan 31, 2004 9:58 pm
#15
Automath wrote:
PadreBook wrote:
I am speculating wildly that Complexity may reduce the effective Complexity of an item during crafting. Which could mean lower failure rate because it's effective Complexity is lower, it produces faster in create stage, or makes the schematic factory production time lower (please let this be the case--sorry did I type that out loud).
Padre
Well it doesn't lower the complexity as show on screen during experimentation, but it might effectively lower the complexity for the calulations behind the interface, can't say i've noticed my factory times being reduced, nice thought though.
A man can hope right?
Padre
Automath
Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:03 pm
#16
mcorey wrote:
Ok, here's a recap for those of you who didn't want to/weren't able to search:
If you are a master architect:
Structure complexity was dropped in beta. It does nothing currently.
Experimentation gives you a bonus to your experimentation points and to your results - it makes crit fails less likely and amazing successes more likely.
Assembly is the initial assembly. It makes crit fail on assembly less likely and amazing success on assembly more likely.
If you're not a master yet, experimentation and assembly lets you build more reliably and at higher quality than you otherwise would be able to. None of these allow you to build outside your "certified" list, exceed the capabilities of your materials, or anything else like that.
And to those of you who have +25 tapes, I envy you.
MC
I'll do a search then and see if I can find this information. Its the complexity that interests me the most. Maybe my fewer experimentation failures are down to my increased Experimentation points.
A note on Assembly, since we can no longer fail on the assembly of a structural item, this is next to worthless, would still help for furniture though.
My tapes are a collection of +6, +5 and +2's on seperate items of clothing.
BoberFett
Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:50 am
#17
mcorey wrote:
Huh. Wish I'd refreshed before posting.
14BER isn't just the current max for fusions, it's the only value you can get using high quality materials. Experimentation on efficiency is broken, either by bug or by design. Getting a 14BER fusion is a testimony to the quality of your ore mining unit and the steel/ore you used for assembly, nothing more, nothing less.
MC
Bria has had crappy steel lately (until yesterday, 975 average HR/SR/UTnow, woohoo!), the best I could get my ore mining units to was 87%. But I found an interesting trend, don't know if anybody else has seen this. Using these mining units, the same OK steel in my OMU and lube oil, the success of the assembly determined my BER. A good success would give me BER13 while a great success gave me BER14. Don't know what it means, but I found it interesting.
ThePhantomPoster
Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:35 am
#18
Structure assembly can be your BEST friend...
One in a million shot, last week I put together a fusion gen with a BASE ber of 14 BEFORE experimenting, just on the merits of structure assembly.
And to prove the BER 14 max, it wouldnt let me experiment.
mcorey
Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:41 am
#19
Ok, here's a recap for those of you who didn't want to/weren't able to search:
If you are a master architect:
Structure complexity was dropped in beta. It does nothing currently.
Experimentation gives you a bonus to your experimentation points and to your results - it makes crit fails less likely and amazing successes more likely.
Assembly is the initial assembly. It makes crit fail on assembly less likely and amazing success on assembly more likely.
If you're not a master yet, experimentation and assembly lets you build more reliably and at higher quality than you otherwise would be able to. None of these allow you to build outside your "certified" list, exceed the capabilities of your materials, or anything else like that.
And to those of you who have +25 tapes, I envy you.
MC
If you are a master architect:
Structure complexity was dropped in beta. It does nothing currently.
Experimentation gives you a bonus to your experimentation points and to your results - it makes crit fails less likely and amazing successes more likely.
Assembly is the initial assembly. It makes crit fail on assembly less likely and amazing success on assembly more likely.
If you're not a master yet, experimentation and assembly lets you build more reliably and at higher quality than you otherwise would be able to. None of these allow you to build outside your "certified" list, exceed the capabilities of your materials, or anything else like that.
And to those of you who have +25 tapes, I envy you.
MC
mcorey
Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:44 am
#20
Huh. Wish I'd refreshed before posting.
14BER isn't just the current max for fusions, it's the only value you can get using high quality materials. Experimentation on efficiency is broken, either by bug or by design. Getting a 14BER fusion is a testimony to the quality of your ore mining unit and the steel/ore you used for assembly, nothing more, nothing less.
MC
14BER isn't just the current max for fusions, it's the only value you can get using high quality materials. Experimentation on efficiency is broken, either by bug or by design. Getting a 14BER fusion is a testimony to the quality of your ore mining unit and the steel/ore you used for assembly, nothing more, nothing less.
MC
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