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Sorry BaronSaturnine but I'll never do business with you and I imagine others reading this will not. If your unhappy simply return his money and be done with it. It's not like you invested anything on your side - you admitted you did nothing after receiving the cash, logged out, then logged into read the nasty message and then ignored him AND KEPT HIS MONEY.

This subject heading should read: "Buyer Beware! Angry Arch needs blacklisting"

I hope the CSRs make you pay him back. Scammer.

I agree that hes a **edit**, but thats what /ignore is for.

I turn down massive orders all the **edit** time because I dont have the resources to build what they want.

Dont take deposits... thats bad business. If you have the resources but not the modules just start making modules until you have enough. You can always use them for something else later if they bail on you.

I would say either take payment in advance (if you know each other well), or at time of transaction, but deposits are a bad idea.

Nobody, ever, in the history of money, has ever been happy that someone kept their deposit.

-Kales Alatami
KAE Inc. Harvesters for All Needs.
Ahazi / Phoenix Rising

So let me get this straight, feel free to correct me.

You were asked to make a PA hall incredibly quickly. You replied that you couldn't make it fast enough and are, in fact, missing several resources so customer X shoul find someone better suited for the job. The person probably found you via search and did a few more but found out that you are the only master in his radius (assumption) so he asks you to make it again. You reluctantly agree but request a 100k deposit to get the resources and just to make sure you aren't sitting on a pricey, but useless, deed. He agrees and gives it to you. You summarily say well I"m going to sleep see you later and quit the game. He takes this as theft (can you blame him?) since you didn't really give him any warning about it nor did you apparently provide an ETA. The next time the both of you are in the game he says that he has reported you for stealing his 100k and not producing the item it was intended for. You both exchange some heated words then you put him on your ignore list to prevent from having to "deal" with him. And that is the end of it?

So basically the moral of this story is never give you a downpayment then complain about your playing habits or else you're out the money. I do deposits when my job requires it and thatgives me,more or less, a feeling of debt to that person. You are being entrusted with their hard earned cash in order to fulfill your end of the bargain. Well all you did was basically say, "Hey you're pissing me off so I'ma just keepin' it. That'll learn yeh." If you had returned the deposit then everything is fine and you can just consider the guy a **edit** and leave it at that. However you decided to keep themoney because you just don't like him. You're scamming him, then trying to justify it by saying he buys credits (And lets face it 26million isn't that much to any crafter. Combatant maybe but crafter never) and complains about you leaving the game quickly after getting tipped.

Advantage: customer

Here is a simple solution to this whole debacle: Don't pay for something until you recieve it! I know it seems complicated, but if you click agree in the secure trade thing, then you have basically traded your credits for whatever was in the trade window. There are no enforceable contracts at the moment in game, so any one who puts down a deposit in this game is a chump. Baronsaturnine, this Semo sounds like some angry 12 year old with a below average intellect, but you acted rudely, and your business skills leave much to be desired.Let me explain to you how a deposit works. If he cancels the order, and he has agreed to the non-refundable deposit, then you would have the right to keep the money. But YOU canceled the order, not him. Therefore you are the one who failed to hold up his end of the deal, and thus you should refund his money. You have stolen this persons money. Even impertinent nooblings do not deserve to be the victims of fraud. If someone ever asked me for a deposit on a purchase, I would refuse, and then take my business elsewhere. The are multiple lessons here.

Lesson 1: Don't pay for stuff until you recieve it. Giving someone the required resources is a different matter.

Lesson 2: Don't do business with **edit**. Both the people in this situation made this mistake.

Lesson 3: Only purchase big ticket Items from Reputable, Honest, and Fairminded Businesspeople. Semo made this mistake. You might pay a little more, but you won't get ripped off like Semo did.

Lesson 4: You have /ignore, use it.

I think this guy was fully justified.... he told him it was up-front and non-refundable and said he wouldnt be able to do it until the morning....(most of you all obviously skipped stuff in your summaries)...and its not the archs fault that the dude sent him a tip and kept buggin him.... (on my old char i was a master architect but it was getting boring so i made a whole new char....but now that i think about it i think i am headed the same direction)....i have delt with many annoying people before and just put them on the ignore list...although i must say that if you really thought he was that annoying then you should have ignored him long ago...although in my opinion guild halls and what have you are not something that were rarely bought from me....i would usually sell at least one per week and for all that work put into them thats pretty good in my opinion. Botton-line in my opinion is that u shuoldnt flam this guy for something he didnt do...he didnt make the dude send him the tip...your money is your responsibility not SOE and all those people who, in my opinion, shouldnt really care about a measly 100k....thats my 2 creds...have a nice night/morn....

All of this over 100k ?Are you an Architect or a Dwarf Nuna Skinner? Do the right thing..give theguy his money back.

I don't see much wrong with that this Architech did... He might just give the 100k backjust for the sake of "f-off'ness" to the guy... I know with selling buffs at 7k a set, people freak out into "idiot" mode very quickly.. so I'd probally take the arch side that the customer was rude...

I see nothing wrong with what he did...he told the costomer up front that

A) He couldn't do it in 2 hours

B) find another Architect

-and-

C) He didn't have the resources

So Costomuer bugs him till he finally decides to do it, or something along those lines.

Now in the business world which I take most poeple doing this post don't understand even in passing, most large risk projects that would ultimatly cost the builder more money in the end usually requires a non-refundable down payment to insure that the builder gets some compensation for time and resorces wasted on making said project. So his 100k non-refunable downpayment was perfectly legit.

Second He, being the architect, told the costumer that he wouldn't probably not be able to have the PA hall done until morning, or sometime there after, apon hearing this the costumer still tips him the 100k. Now By tipping this 100k to said architect they now have a legal and binding contract that says that the Buyer understands the Sellers terms and agrees and the seller agrees to have the buyers product in close to the due date<come on when was the last time a contractor had anything done on time>. So Baron goes to bed..face it poeple this is a game and there is a real world out there and sleep is a viable and necessary part of life, face it. So he goes to bed and gets up an in the morning and the first thing he gets is an E-mail flaiming him from thie costmer who reports him for something that he is not in the wrong for. There for it is sellers choice because of the slander of said costomer to resign from the contract and keep the 100k non-refundable downpayment, keep in mind he also mentioned he tried talking with him a second time to work things out and the costomer was still being a **edit**, and lets face it, lied to his face saying it was his roomate. There for the Ignore was perfectly fine and I agree with Baron's decision to blackball this person who is wasting his mommy and daddy's credit history and not getting enough sun.