Architect Archive
Thread: Recent spree of bans.
Pawlin
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:36 am
#14
ZenDragonMLS wrote:
"Ready, Fire, Aim"
Zen nailed it on the head.
It appears what they are doing is finding who they think the dupers are and then tracking their financial logs. So if you end up with a large amount of money from a known duper then you're a suspected accomplice. Then SOE throws common sense out the window and provides another text book example of exactly how NOT to do customer service by banning a lot of innocent people without doing any real, competent investigation of the situation.
Pawlin
Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:06 am
#15
SkyfireDL wrote:
Hmm, I better watch myself then. I've completed a rather larger order for a guildmate, with him oweing me 3.9 million credits. He's already tipped me twice the 1million max in a few seconds. Think they've got wanted posters of me in the dev's coffee lounge? Maybe I should sell him a six sided dice for the remaining 1.9 million so I don't look too suspicious.
I wouldn't do that. Selling an item of little value for a very large amount of money would probably be a very big red flag in SOEs opinion that you might be doing something illegitimate. THe real dupers aren't making legitimate looking trades to launder their duped credits.
I don't see how a dev can really be able to checkand see if money transfers are being done against SOE policy. There are just too many ways around avoiding getting flagged or whatever. I mean geezus, trade a bunch of harvesters for cash, and have the guy give you back the harvs after the first trade. Dev's can't keep track of things like that... can they?
Yesactually I'm sure they can.
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ZenDragonMLS
Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:12 am
#16
If you think about it, ANY time there is an exchange between two players (via Bazaar, vendors, bank tip, cash tip, trade screen, etc) it really *IS* a "transaction" in the banking sense. They have to take the money / items from being owned by A and mark them as being owned by B.
So I'm absolutely sure that they have an audit trail of every transaction. It *may* be the case that they purge the old audit trails after some time period, but if they are concerned about credit duping occuring in the past few weeks I'm sure that they can run some queries and have a complete "paper trail" of the movement of money.
So I'm absolutely sure that they have an audit trail of every transaction. It *may* be the case that they purge the old audit trails after some time period, but if they are concerned about credit duping occuring in the past few weeks I'm sure that they can run some queries and have a complete "paper trail" of the movement of money.
Dvnce
Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:42 am
#17
yeah .. I am a little nervous about trying to log in this evening.. I have done 15 million in business over the last week.. if not more.. and did have a few people buy 20 ish heavies each fromme.. although if they were to look back they would see that is not that abnormal.....
although my alt... too.. there is this person that I tend to buy alot of stuff for.. this person.. well this person started tippin me back 5k here .. 10k there... so to be awnery i started tiping her 1 mil.. a few times... hehe.. talk about supsicious behavior...
although.. the TSR team has assured us that they will weed through all of these and find what is legit and what is not...
Pawlin
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:00 am
#18
Dvnce wrote:
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although.. the TSR team has assured us that they will weed through all of these and find what is legit and what is not...
Where did they say that?
Dvnce
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:16 am
#19
Pawlin wrote:
Dvnce wrote:
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although.. the TSR team has assured us that they will weed through all of these and find what is legit and what is not...
Where did they say that?
in the corr forum.. we are brining up all of the issues of how it is easy to bring an innocent down... and that is pretty much the response we gave.. I dont know if I exactly had permission to quote that but i felt it needed to be said... 
Zhundult
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:18 pm
#20
While I feel for the people banned unjustly, I do have to say I am happy to see them take this approach. It's refreshing after dealing with Microsoft and Turbine letting people who abuse the game and violate the TOS get away with it, to see them taking a hardline stance is nice in my opinion.
I do hope the people wrongly banned get unbanned soon, and the people who are banned justly never get back in.
Dvnce
Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:06 pm
#21
ok.. I may be quick on posting this.. and may have misunderstood what was told to us on what to tell you .. but I am going to to let people know what is going on.. SOE knows that some innocent people were caught in this net.. they are working fast to weed out the innocent and get them reinstated as quick as possible... some poeple were not given email because of them not updating their current email information to sony.. there are lincs in the forums that direct people what to do to challenge a banning.. I will post them here again...
Duping is a major issue and can destroy alot of peoples gaming experience.. that is why SOE had to act fast.. SOE is working fast to restore balance and to take the proper action on the people that truly did something wrong..
those that are innocent will have things made right asap..
here is what Just G said...
1) This was a batch process... we have not yet notified each account. Additionally, there are many with invalid email addresses.
2) Response times are currentlylonger than we preferdue to the number of tickets we are currently receiving from players concerned about this issue. If she has not gotten through, in-game tickets or email to [email protected] . Tech support and in-game both have the process to handle these issues.
3) Email to [email protected] or call tech support at 858 790 STAR. They could also go to the website and do live webchat with Tech Support.
Message Edited by Dvnce on 08-19-2004 06:31 PM
Pawlin
Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:32 pm
#22
Thanks for letting us know Dvnce.
I cant' see why they don't say something publically themselves. Seems kinda negligent IMHO.
Elyssa
Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:19 pm
#23
So is the crackdown over and can we go about business as usual or is there still funny money floating around?
Dvnce
Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:53 pm
#24
i would expect there be a little while longer but it sounded like the biggest smackdown has past...
Elyssa
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:15 pm
#25
Do you think there will be an announcement when they have all the credits out of the system and we can stop living in fear or will it be the typical cryptic non-announcement announcement?
Dvnce
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:35 pm
#26
I am sure they will announce something more soon ill post on this again..