Architect Archive
Thread: Crafting Stations Revisited
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Dvnce
Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:19 am
#1
This Is what I just posted to the Developers...
The architect forum Has come together and really are not satisfied with the response that we got from our question about the Crafting Tools/Stations. We Strongly would prefer that the whole Crafting Tool/Station Code be reviewed for the simple reason that there Has been test after test ... after test. Results from these test have only PROVEN one of two things.. 1) The Bonus given from Crafting Tools/Stations are not working as intented... 2) or The Bonus Given from Crafting Tools/Stations are not significant enough to warant the time or investment to make anything more than a -13.5 equipment.
What we were expecting as a response to our question.. Was to know just how much of an impact this equipment is suppose to have. and just how much of a difference Is there between 0.0 station and the max 45.0 station .. (or 0.0 tool and max tool ) Now as for the the only two posibilities that all of our testing Has Proven .. 1) If upon looking into this code in more detail it does come up that it is not working then .. please make it work .. if 2) If the system is in fact working then We strongly urge that the whole bonus system for Craftingequipment be reworked. Quite frankly if I am using Negative effective equipment I should Know that I am because of all the failures I am getting .. If I am using 0.0 rated equipment then I should be seeing basic random results... and If I am using Max Positive effective equipment I should know it because of all the great and amazing successes I am getting. It only makes sense that it should work that way. and right now there is no difference... (at least that is observable )
This is an important issue to all crafting professions but it is more important for architects because of the work and resources it takes to make High rated equipment. If upon reviewing the code you still want to come back with it does get a bonus and it is working as intended and it is significant enough.. we expect to have tied with that to be told just how much of a percent bonus is possible with this crafting equipment. I can tell you that we have infact done 1000's of tests to prove this "alegded" bonus. All test from multiple people, All from people that are respected in our forum and I trust
completly that they have conducted these test with proper controlled settings and there results are accurate..
completly that they have conducted these test with proper controlled settings and there results are accurate..
LonelyGhost
Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:54 am
#3
hehehehe...I can just picture TH's face when he reads this..."aaaahhhhh, maaaaannn!" as he gets up and shuffles slowly to the arcane coding room and taps the Dev who used to work on Architect, who has in fact been pulled off to work on new Pet animations, and hand it to the Dev sheepishly.
Pawlin
Thu Apr 29, 2004 3:08 pm
#4
Ok, Dvnce. Nice job. Thanks. I'll quit arguing in the 'Question #2' thread that we revisit this in our 2nd question. You're seeing to it.
Dvnce
Thu Apr 29, 2004 3:20 pm
#5
Yeah .. I understand what everyone is saying on holding till we get an appropriate answer.. But honestly
even with the answer that we are all expecting to get if they answer it right.. What do we have .. ? We still know that the way these are calculated are simply not adequate.. and we need to go ahead and elevate this to the level of an issue.. I have posted this to the devs.. And I will Bug them on it until I get an answer that I am allowed to come back to you all with ...
StumanKadir
Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:58 pm
#6
It would be nice to know if we have been wasting huge amounts of time and resources perfecting things that don't essentially work or provide any tangible benefit. Thx for the good work Dvnce 
Kyrien
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:02 pm
#7
WOW... Keep at it !!!
Kyrien
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LonelyGhost
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:06 pm
#8
Hmmmm. maybe its too late to change, but I think we might be wasting the question asking for numbers...here is something TH said to the SL on their Answer today.
/rally gives To Hit and Defense Modifier bonuses to everyone in the Squad Leader’s party. The bonuses are not significant though which is why the question exists. This is something that is sure to change in the upcoming Squad Leader revamp. I know there are people looking for specific numbers, but as a general rule, you will almost never see me post the numbers. Developers believe that “figuring the numbers” is something that is fun for many players and that revealing the numbers is like a magician revealing his secret and that it takes some of the fun out of game play. Unless there is an important and specific need to post a raw number or formula on an issue, we won’t cite numbers.
Kyrien
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:20 pm
#9
Hello Again....
I would argue that if the "Dev's" say that the crafting toll / station quality provides a bonus and every one here who has done testing can not Verify this, That"there is an important and specific need to post a raw number or formula on" this "Issue".
Kyrien
Bandola
Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:12 pm
#10
Good job Deviance, that seems to cover all our concerns regarding the question/answer we were given previously and words it specifically enough to try to prevent a 'wriggle out'.
It's just a shame you have to write some 30 odd lines becuase TH gave a cop-out answer first time around. If only they would learn to just answer the question. /sigh
Dvnce
Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:23 pm
#11
hehe.. I have been using Dvnce as my tag for YEARS...... not many people have put it together to mean what I have meant it too
Bandola wrote:
Deviance,
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