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How stupid of me, I never thought it through that far. I know you can use any omus, I found out by mistake when I had left some in the ingredient hopper of my factory and they got used up when i made some fusions, but you know, it never occured to me to take the logica step further, will have to check it out

I feel stupid too.

Nice catch!

That changed then in the background. It used to affect it. Man I just wish we could have contiinuity of SOMETHING in this profession.

Fivo Asia

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BoberFett wrote:

Interesting. I've never made fusions in a factory but always by hand, so had never seen a schematic for them. I only a couple days ago started making the parts to do a factory run of 70 fusions. Perfect timing, thanks LadyLeala.

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Sure!

btw, what do you usually sell fusions for?

I noticed this right away, because I used to make fusions in a factory. Now I make them by hand because they are almost impossible to screw up.

However, there *could* be one of two things going on here. Perhaps you guys have experimented and know the answer.

1. It *could be* that the quality of the OMU *does* matter when you make the schematic, but that, via a bug, the serial number of the OMU isn't wired into the schematic. What that would say is that you would be able to make a schematic by burning one of your good OMUs and then use a run of really crappy OMUs to make the fusions.

OR

2. It could be that the quality of the OMU doesn't impact the final result at all. In which case you could make a schematic using a totally crappy OMU, get BER14 anyway, and be happy. Notice though that the SSSM and the generator turbines *DO* have their serial numbers recorded in that schematic - and we know that they don't contribute to the rate at all.

My personal opinion is that the true answer is #1. I regard it as a bug (in *either* case) that they don't wire down the serial number of the OMU in the final schematic.

There is an easy test for this. Make the world's crappiest OMU (by hand). Use that to craft a fusion. If you still get BER14, then #2 is the correct answer. If you get BER13, then #1 is the right answer.

The reason I *think* that it is #1 is that I thought I tried an 83% OMU once, and only got BER13, but that when I did it with the same materials but an 87% OMU I got BER14.

This would also be supported by Reegan's BER formula of "base + floor((OMU quality + final quality)/25)". It may be that that formula *is* being used, but since you can't experiment the final, all you get for that part of the "score" is whatever the original resources gave you (e.g., 27% or whatever).

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ZenDragonMLS wrote:
I noticed this right away, because I used to make fusions in a factory. Now I make them by hand because they are almost impossible to screw up.

However, there *could* be one of two things going on here. Perhaps you guys have experimented and know the answer.

1. It *could be* that the quality of the OMU *does* matter when you make the schematic, but that, via a bug, the serial number of the OMU isn't wired into the schematic. What that would say is that you would be able to make a schematic by burning one of your good OMUs and then use a run of really crappy OMUs to make the fusions.

OR

2. It could be that the quality of the OMU doesn't impact the final result at all. In which case you could make a schematic using a totally crappy OMU, get BER14 anyway, and be happy. Notice though that the SSSM and the generator turbines *DO* have their serial numbers recorded in that schematic - and we know that they don't contribute to the rate at all.

My personal opinion is that the true answer is #1. I regard it as a bug (in *either* case) that they don't wire down the serial number of the OMU in the final schematic.

There is an easy test for this. Make the world's crappiest OMU (by hand). Use that to craft a fusion. If you still get BER14, then #2 is the correct answer. If you get BER13, then #1 is the right answer.

The reason I *think* that it is #1 is that I thought I tried an 83% OMU once, and only got BER13, but that when I did it with the same materials but an 87% OMU I got BER14.

This would also be supported by Reegan's BER formula of "base + floor((OMU quality + final quality)/25)". It may be that that formula *is* being used, but since you can't experiment the final, all you get for that part of the "score" is whatever the original resources gave you (e.g., 27% or whatever).

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I can verify that the serial number is totally irrelevant in this case. I had left 6 OMUs in an ingredient hopper (Factory bug caused them not to be used, but still made my run ) I then made a whole new batch of OMUs for fusions and ran them through the same factory, leaving the 'old' ones in. At the end of the run the 'old' ones were used up and 6 of the new batch were left in their place.

There is however a 3rd theory that I will try to test at some point. It may be that the OMUs were all the same %, they were definitely the same rating (I ONLY make BER6 OMUS to use and ALWAYS experiment all the way). It is possible that the schematic only looks at either the % or at the BER rating, in which case you will not save on resources.

WELL spotted!and thank you very much for sharing that find!

So the non-cratable OMU's are now an exploit. Maybe NOW it will get fixed...

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IntoTheGarbage wrote:
So the non-cratable OMU's are now an exploit. Maybe NOW it will get fixed...

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Perfect, you gotta laugh at this crap sometimes, I tell ya'.

Fivo Asia