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Thread: Official Apology to Logix

JoarAdanNessos
Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:28 pm
#1

Well, I've done the more advanced questions, and research, and I've found that this next patch will cause a huge break in any crafting continuity. Schematics requiring multi-line experimentation are horribly gated, even IF you have 12 exp points to allocate. What's worse, the better the resource, the higher you can experiment on it, this allows for higher damage, but everything else takes a hit. High Ham weapons will suffer in the long run. You can combat this by selling weapons as either high damage, or low ham (weapons especially like the VK\LVA sell low HAM to TKM's and Pikeman). Also, as Logix has stated, this has actually substantially increased the crafting quality of single line experimented items, so, expect to see MUCH better low ham items after the patch.


I honestly have no idea how anyone would view this as an improvement to crafting (if you will grant me that you will be less affected than armorsmiths) and the changes haven't been significantly patched on Test in response.


I highly advise all of you to locate (or buy) 3000 use schematics of your FINAL COMBINE items, because I think you will be hoarding and selling these for months to come.


Again, my offer still is extended to Logix, please, the members of Test would be happy to help you acquire a VERY wide range of materials so that you can do more extended tests. I am a crafter, I have a master Armorsmith on Chilastra, I am very well aware of the in's and outs of crafting, and after spending some time with resources of all qualities, and running extensive tests, the overall changes to crafting will undoubtly cripple some professions.



IGNPC: We often hear the loudest cries from a relative minority. Still, it seems odd that all the comments sent our way have been negative.

Haden Blackman: Yeah, all the guys who are happy with everything are playing the game. They aren't spending their time sending you guys letters or posting on the forums.
Nurani_ENT
Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:46 pm
#2

weatheror not the nerf effects him or not, he needs to voice our concerns on this.


As long as he does his job, regardless of his personal opinion, he's welcome to be our rep for the duration of his term. if he drops the ball on this one like the fwg5 crate issue, then that's another story.



Holo - " there's something oddly satisfying about running a game people pay to hate"


Japonica Petitichat
Master Weaponsmith -=Dominion=-
Da'Vinci (-1395 -5564) Bria Server
located 1500 meters west of Anchorhead
Nurani_ENT
Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:50 pm
#3


weatheror not the nerf effects him or not, he needs to voice our concerns on this.


As long as he does his job, regardless of his personal opinion, he's welcome to be our rep for the duration of his term. if he drops the ball on this one like the fwg5 crate issue, then that's another story.



Holo - " there's something oddly satisfying about running a game people pay to hate"


Japonica Petitichat
Master Weaponsmith -=Dominion=-
Da'Vinci (-1395 -5564) Bria Server
located 1500 meters west of Anchorhead
LLJK_Griz
Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:18 pm
#4






Nurani_ENT wrote:

weatheror not the nerf effects him or not, he needs to voice our concerns on this.


As long as he does his job, regardless of his personal opinion, he's welcome to be our rep for the duration of his term. if he drops the ball on this one like the fwg5 crate issue, then that's another story.







Already did. Posts were deleted along with those from armorsmith and other correspondents.


Correspondent forum is probably pretty interesting now.




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Reldun
Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:29 pm
#5

Yes, Logix posted in there, a lot of the correspondents did, and just like Griz stated, those posts were deleated. They are changing experimentation basically because they want to, not because it doesn't work, not because it needed fixing. Someone has an agenda on how they view experimentation to work, they tried to change it months ago, crafters raised hell about it and they stopped. This change is the exact same change. They are intentionally screw us, they know they are screwing us, and can't even come up witha decent reason for it.



Reldurpa
Ty Cobb Weaponsmith of Flurry (now retired)
5307th Corellian Rangers CorRg
Reld's Gunshop -4430, 5990 NE of Theed, Naboo
We do the slicing so you don't have to.
Longest running MWS of Flurry... 12 point smith... yadda... all that good stuff.
JoarAdanNessos
Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:59 pm
#6

I was wondering if someone could be so kind as to point me in the direction of the deleted posts. I am doing some research so that I may present a series of coherent statistics and arguments, so if anyone has any information concerning any delted posts, I would be greatful.



IGNPC: We often hear the loudest cries from a relative minority. Still, it seems odd that all the comments sent our way have been negative.

Haden Blackman: Yeah, all the guys who are happy with everything are playing the game. They aren't spending their time sending you guys letters or posting on the forums.
Logix
Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:13 pm
#7


I greatly appreciate the sentiment; I really didn't intend to come off as having an unfounded, knee-jerk reaction to the changes. I wouldn't immediately go against a proposal unless my defiance really had merit.


That said, unfortunately, I'm going to be around a bit less .. hopefully no longer than a week or two. I'm moving into a new place, rather short-notice, this coming Monday. If all works out well, I should have my internet connection back up and ready to go real quick, then I'll see about checking in with you in regards to resources.


In the meantime, I encourage all of you to feel free to send me PMs on the board with your findings or anecdotes or opinions and I'll review them at every opportunity I get. The crafter Correspondents are working diligently to get to the bottom of this issue so rest assured, you're in good hands. I recommend taking a trip over to the Armorsmith boards if you're seeking more updates.


Thanks for your support.


Message Edited by Logix on 03-08-2004 10:17 PM

Reldun
Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:35 pm
#8

Btw Logix, since this is an apology thread. I do want you to know ifI haven't been clear on it, I do think you are the best correspondent we have had so far. When I got into your rear and started that thread it was due to a specific grievance and was not a critique of your job overall. I also think it was great that you were willing to discuss with me, regardless of my orginal tone, in public to help make some headway on the situation. I also felt by the end of the thread we had made headway on the issue, I felt that you were listening to what my thoughts were for what they were, and not dismissing them because I was upset about the situation and beign not so nice (TH's posting about a week abck of how he doesn't reply to threads if he doesn't like the tone is the type of thing I am talking about). Sometimes other people do have good ideas or realistic critiicisms, regardless of how upset they are by something or the wording they choose to use. I am glad that you took the time to discuss with me, argue with me, and maybe come to understand my viewpoint on some things. I felt that even through other people's comment on both sides of the discussion that I gained something from it.


On a side note, Pip Tazo (Pahdbacca on the boards) is staying with my gf and I. So I know what the coors. have to deal with on a aily basis, I had teh opprotunity to read over his shoulder on quite a few occasions. You guys do get hosed, and I hope I was clear on that in the original thread. I think a lot of times you get stuck knowing bad news is coming and you aren't supposed to say things about it...and that's what correspondents are there for in the devs eyes, to soak up the excess damage control.


Anyhow, again I think you have done the best job so far, and I appreaciate your abilty to handle problems and dsicuss things directly with someone.






Reldurpa
Ty Cobb Weaponsmith of Flurry (now retired)
5307th Corellian Rangers CorRg
Reld's Gunshop -4430, 5990 NE of Theed, Naboo
We do the slicing so you don't have to.
Longest running MWS of Flurry... 12 point smith... yadda... all that good stuff.
Orthaanc
Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:34 am
#9

Cmon everybody hehe GROUP HUG!!


lol where's the love?





Orthaanc Isengard / Master Weaponsmith / Ahazi
atimes
Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:29 pm
#10






Nurani_ENT wrote:


weatheror not the nerf effects him or not, he needs to voice our concerns on this.


As long as he does his job, regardless of his personal opinion, he's welcome to be our rep for the duration of his term. if he drops the ball on this one like the fwg5 crate issue, then that's another story.







Yes of course. Your correspondant does nothing at all except sit around and say "wow devs you guys are the greatest" and I can clearly see how the devs nerfing crates of pre patch weapons is entirelyhis fault as well.


/rolls_eyes

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