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Thread: Slicing, Max damage and the Damage cap on PHs
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roxby
Wed May 25, 2005 8:50 am
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I took up smuggler so i could to a few tests on slicing - iwas 0400 smuggler...
I sliced 4 hammers. Im only going to post the damage:
The min/max damage, slice % and change to damage are listed below.
min-max slicenew min-max change
503-1013 4% damage becomes 514 1026 change of 13 to max
438-948 9% damage becomes 465 977 change of 29 to max
414-914 12% damage becomes 447-952 change of 38 to max
292-802 21% damage becomes 355 868 change of 66 to max
From this you can see that
1)Each slice %translates roughly to 3 extra damage points on the max damage (this is for PH, with smuggler 0400, it is different for different weapons)
2) If you subtract the initial Max damage from themax damage capfor PHs(1184) you get this
171 diff - 4% slice 13 change
236 diff - 9% slice 29 change
279 diff - 12% slice 38 change
382 diff - 21% slice 66 change
These reults are linear. If you plot the diference against the slice %then its a stright line. The slice percentage is lineraly dependent on the difference between the current damage and the damage cap. One interesting point is that slices go to 0% well before the damage cap of 1184 (at 1041) max damage. Has anybody got experience of having negative slices on hammers above 1041 damage?
I suspect if you have a hammer of over 1041 damage you will get a negative slice with smuggler 0400. If you are master smuggler, i think you might find that the value 1041 is higher, but still below the weapon cap.
Message Edited by roxby on 05-25-2005 08:51 PM
Mor-Dan
Wed May 25, 2005 9:02 am
#2
that really make no sense to use % then, as it is obvious that 4% x 1013 is a LOT higher than 1026 (it would be 1053). that's 27 dmg points of difference in a system that no longer really calculates anything other than the dmg of the weapon, and most notably the max dmg. the smuggler revamp just can't get here fast enough...
Mor-Dan
Wed May 25, 2005 10:14 am
#4
someone said it is based on min dmg, but even there it doesn't compute. 503 + 4% = +20dmg, which is 1033, not 1026.
Yateswook
Wed May 25, 2005 3:58 pm
#5
Still worried about slicing the best PH I have run to day 548-1033.... It would be nice to get a good damage slice for once, but not sure if I should wait till slicing seems fixed.
Vade_WS
Thu May 26, 2005 7:42 am
#6
Yateswook wrote:
not sure if I should wait till slicing seems fixed.
Slicing has been nerfed. It now conforms to the speed and damage caps for weapons. I'm not sure you'll ever see it "fixed".
Aseni
Thu May 26, 2005 8:54 am
#7
Mor-Dan wrote:
someone said it is based on min dmg, but even there it doesn't compute. 503 + 4% = +20dmg, which is 1033, not 1026.
Actually it seems it does ... theimprovements after each slice are as follows:
11 pts (min) - 13 pts (max) after a 4% slice indicating a range of 275 to 325
27pts (min) -29 pts (max) after a 9% slice indicating a range of 300 to 322.22
33pts (min) - 38 pts (max) after a 12% slice indicating a range of 275 to 316.662
63pts (min) -66 pts (max) after a 21% slice indicating a range of300 to 314.28
Note the following:
1)It isthe min total numbers that are whole ... just an observation that maybe points to these numbers as the ones the % slice depends on.
2) The min ranges don't increase with decreasing weapon capability, they alternate. By weapon capability i mean that the weapon that allowed a 21% slice was inferior to the weapon that allowed a 4% slice.
3) The min/max difference decreases with decreasing weapon capability thus allowing a more uniform improvement over min and max damage.
Just a few observations ... thoughts?
Aseni
Thu May 26, 2005 8:55 am
#8
..of course how the aforementioned ranges are what they are remains a mystery ..! 
Anyone has any insight?
Va-Mei
Fri May 27, 2005 9:41 am
#9
Mor-Dan wrote:
that really make no sense to use % then, as it is obvious that 4% x 1013 is a LOT higher than 1026 (it would be 1053). that's 27 dmg points of difference in a system that no longer really calculates anything other than the dmg of the weapon, and most notably the max dmg. the smuggler revamp just can't get here fast enough...
Actually, I see what they're doing. The % change is not a simple multiplicationof the base stat, but a % shift from the base stat toward the stats cap.
Assuming the the slice % is fixed based on the weapons stats relative to the cap (and from my testing, it looks that way), the result of this is something that we've been asking for all along... a slicer cannot take a crap weapon and through the luck of the dice make it better than a superior weapon with a poor slice. It also falls into the Dev's CU philosophy ofdiminishing returns.Now, awell crafted weapon will always be better than a poorly crafted one could ever be. Slicing will make it better, but the better it was to begin with, the less room for improvement it has.
I suspect if you have a hammer of over 1041 damage you will get a negative slice with smuggler 0400. If you are master smuggler, i think you might find that the value 1041 is higher, but still below the weapon cap.
As a 0400Smuggler, I have had negative slices on 2 rifles. I don't recall the weapons stats, but it will pay to know where your limits are.
Message Edited by Va-Mei on 05-27-2005 10:34 AM
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