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Thread: MWS tag? Check. Resources? Check. Stock? Check. Customers? ...Hmm

SabbathChild
Mon May 03, 2004 3:13 pm
#1

So I got to Master Weaponsmith last week. I've been working on it for months and have the resources for just about everything in my datapad (except T-21's, damn Alantium). I've even joined a city and act as their exclusive WS. But over the past week, even with advertising 3 and running around with a MWS tag I've had about 10 customers total. I've made more money selling off all the crappy stock I made before I got to Master. I know that a lot of people won't bother with most of the waypoints on the plantery map, hologrinders have made that system a joke. So I'm coming here, to seek the wisdom of the established Weaponsmith's. What else can I do? What am I missing? Should I start bludgeoning people with afk shouting?



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xclintOn
Mon May 03, 2004 3:17 pm
#2

i had a friend that opened up a shop (not weapons, but other stuff) and spammed in theed afk every friday and saturday night. he made alot of money.



-xclint0n
evetsleep
Mon May 03, 2004 3:46 pm
#3


just making adv 3 and having a master title is not going to get you instant business. You need to develop a customer base, which comes from those first few who come to your shop. If they like your shop they will come back and even recommend you to their friends. Adv 3 and the new barker droids increase the chances of those "new" customer coming to pay you a visit. It can take weeks or even months to build a strong customer base, even if you are a dedicated WS for a city. The best way to increase your sales is to have a pleasant shop, good\fair prices, be hospitable to customers when they /tell you, and if you advertise (through adv 3, on your servers trade forum (like have a grand opening, or weekly list of whats new and their stats\prices), or with barker droids). Either way....it takes time.

Message Edited by evetsleep on 05-03-2004 04:31 PM




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DarkLordWoggo
Mon May 03, 2004 4:28 pm
#4






evetsleep wrote:


just making adv 3 and having a master title is not going to get you instant business. You need to develop a customer base, which comes from those first few who come to your shop. If they like your shop they will come back and even recommend you to their friends.



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Jedi_Titus
Mon May 03, 2004 4:32 pm
#5



the key word... everyone say it together now.....


patience


It takes time to build your customer base. advertising/spamming/whatever helps but it will still takes a while to build a good customer base... many people are slow to leave their "normal" smith or check a new one out. Also don't forget to think about what "kind" of shop you want to run when you plan your advert. strategy. Advertising on the trade boards is a great way to up your buisness... but if you have great weapons and don't want to run a huge shop it can bring in too much buisness and burn you out. I've seen many many smiths burn out from the work load. So, chose a strategy that will help you get your buis. to the size you want. good luck!





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Klixx
Mon May 03, 2004 4:49 pm
#6

Ok, want some advice from a somewhat popular mws on Chilastra? This is what I did to break into the market. First, I made a ton of weapons, usually around 50 of each. They weren't my best but they were good. I got them all sliced (I have a second account which is a master smug). Then kept the 30+ slices aside and put them on a vendors one for each hand vendors for Sliced Pistols, Sliced Carbs and Rifles, Sliced Melee and Slice Krayt and Geo. The last Vendor was the clearance vendor.



I put anything under 30% slice on it for 4k. Yes OUCH! The vendor had a few thousand weapons on it from flame throwers to t21's. Then did the thing where I went to coronet and set up a spammer. (My store was outside coronet.. location location location. I hate to say this but on our server EVERYONE goes through coronet) The clearance vendor sold out in about 6 days. But I made damn good money on the 30%+ slices, usually 100-200k per item. What this got me was exposure, it took a long time but I found that by keeping 25-50 of each weapon sliced on the vendors keeps most of my clients very happy and I do about 3-7 million a day now. I still practically give away any sliced weapon under 20% but I no longer am clearinging anything under 30.


The next thing to do is collect all the artwork from around the universe. Make it "look" like you are classy. No one want to buy from a weapon hocker... they want to buy it from a fancy weaponsmith... don't ask me.. it just works. So I have a very nice store outside coronet. It took me about 3 months to groom the clients but from there out it has gone smooth as clock work.



Deceptus


SpaceGolfer
Mon May 03, 2004 5:45 pm
#7

I've been to your shop. It's very nice.


When I get people coming to me for something that I don't have the parts for or in my inventory. I've sent them to you.


Since I don't have access to a Master Smuggler, I only sell weapons that have not been sliced. I have just found it to be easier in general and it allows me to keep my prices to a minimum.






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JohnAdams
Mon May 03, 2004 9:51 pm
#8

I took a lot of time hitting MWS myself. I have never worn the tag because I am quite aware of the tell-hell that can go along with it. After setting up the shop, decorating it nicely and stocking weapons with good weapons at competitive prices, I had the same experience as you.


A couple of weeks later, a player city was offering up merchant tents. It was a pretty well known city on Tat with a research center bonus. After a little wrangling, I opened up there. It wasn't a huge success, but after a couple of weeks I was doing a pretty steady business.


But honestly, my business really picked up after I devised the somewhat garish tag at the bottom of the post. It may be a total coincidence, but when I posted locations on the tag, business went up overnight.


Also, try posting on the trade forum with prices on special items you make well. I sell the theme park guns for 10k - a lot cheaper than most people. A lot of people come for those. Once you can get a few folks to take a look, you'll start to build the busines. Realize that people aren't going to leave their regular smith unless you offer something special - low prices, better weapons, location.


The final and most important thing is location. I love Talus, but the bottom line is that my Tat shop does 7-8 times the business than the Talus shop does. If you are in a good sized player city with traffic, people will show soon enough. But if the city is not really established or is in a bad spot, you will struggle.


Bottom line is you still have some work to do. Advertising on the global is a help. Spamming at Coronet or Theed can work. You can use the bazaar to advertise. The trade forums are also an excellent tool.If you are wearing your tag, put some crated weapons in a backpack and do a tour of the big cities and theme parks/dungeons. If you sell a weapon like this, send a thank you note with a waypoint attached. If your stuff is any good, you'll be droppingthe tag soon enough.





CrazyBob - grumpy old weaponsmith
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SabbathChild
Tue May 04, 2004 8:28 am
#9

Thanks everyone. I was kinda freaking out because I'm kinda low on cash. I didn't expect to have everything flying off the shelves, but I didn't expect my stock to move so slow. I figured I'd be making enough to not have to worry about whether or not I was going to have to go to a mission terminal. So 6 months of pateince and now more pateince, I can deal with that.



Badoff Bina, Inner Sanctum Member of Skull and Bones
Bounty Hunter 3/4/4/2 --- Ranger 0/0/4/0
On Tempest
Arricima Wookie Arms Company Outside Theed, Naboo, -7267 3171
Swordsmen 2/4/3/3 --- Master Weaponsmith --- Merchant 4/0/0/0
kalasiris
Tue May 04, 2004 1:59 pm
#10

Another good way to drum up business:

Take 25 of your weapons that are priced under 6k. Put them all on the bazaar. Put the waypoint, name and other details of your weapon's store in the item description for each weapon. Then, when you get those lovely little "Insta sale complete" emails, send a thank you email to the person who bought your weapon, which just happens to mention your store and has the WP attached.
Byallbacca
Tue May 04, 2004 5:12 pm
#11

Now this is a bit of a pain but here's how I managed to get great custom.


GO TAILOR and WEAR THE MASTER TAILOR tag.


Honestly, MWS, MAS, MCH, MBE, MA, MDE???? Nah, you ain't got nothing on the /tell hell, or business asI like to call it,that a Master Tailor gets.


My shop is also conveniently situated just outside Theed and I had a house/showroom that I used to do custom fittings in right next door. While my loyal and loving customers were in my shop i'd point out the fact that there is new stock on my BE/Resources/Weapons/Architect vendor and that they should check it out while they're waiting for their custom order. Now that my friend is the way to forge great business links AND get great custom.


Ok, so it's impractical, it's long and hard (and believe me, there is an easy way to MWS, there isn't 1 for Tailor, you try it for a few days and see how annoyed you are) and basically it sucks BUT it is true and it does work.


Think of it this way, most items decay, people change their prof, sometimes items just disappear from the server BUT none of this happens anywhere near as much as the amount of times people get bored of their image.


So there you go, Byallbacca's Guide to Getting Great Custom,


Try it, don't try it, do what you like, it's of no consequence, bottom line it works!


P.S. I was forced out of Tailoring due to the absolutely overwhelming amount of people contacting me at all times, I couldn't do anything else and basically didn't have the patience.



"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on." -Robert Frost


Enix_Dayspring
Tue May 04, 2004 5:32 pm
#12

It takes quite some time to cultivate a good customer base. Theres several reasons why:

1) Having all the resources you need is a good start. But now you need BETTER resources. You will NEVER be finished looking for resources because all the other weaponsmiths have had a head start on you and have better resources and hence, better weapons. It will take time for you to get better resources to the point where you can compete with already established WS's.


2) Players are superstitious. They tend to find a WS they like and stick with them. Once you get a lock on them as customers, they'll pretty much always be your customer. Getting them to jump on board however, takes time.


3) Nobody has heard of you. It can take months for your name to get circulating. But its really cool when someone comes up to you and says "Hey, I saw this commando take out 3 guys with one of your flamethrowers. Can you make me one too?"



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Hons-Isi
Wed May 05, 2004 10:33 am
#13

Hey bud,

I found myself in your same position not too long ago. I've been MWS for about 4 days now and getting customers is something you just have to work for. Since I've made MWS i've made about 1 mil credits in the past 4 days, and i'm on Tat. by Bestine which is mostly a ghost town anymore. Anyway, this is what worked for me. First of all you NEED a sliced weapons vendor. That is what's going to pull in the high rollers and the kind of people that you will want for customers. Sadly the AFK advertising is your best option. But the thing that is souly responsible for bringing you customers is being kind to people. Let's not forget that everyone we interact with in this game is another person whith emotions and feelings that you can appeal to. So Joe shmo Noob who seems like a waste of time to you right now because all he has is a couple hundred credits clinky around in his pocket, is not a waste of time at all. Ok right now he can't offer you practically anything for your services, but through him a scout blaster for free or something. Don't you think he'll appreciate it? I mean how much could one pistol really cost you anyway, and you know he doesn't mind if it's not uber. Where do you think that noob will in about a month or so, bet he'll be a step up from novice marksman and looking for a flamethrower possibly. If you helped him out in the beginning and got him to where he is, of course he's gonna at least see what you can do for him. What it comes down to, and a big reason why I love this game so so much, is because it's not a far cry from running your own actual business. We're all human and we all interact like humans, (although some of us look like rodians and bothans... hmmm) don't forget that.
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