Weaponsmith Archive

Why do T21 take so much when other guns such as a flamethrower take 4 idenctial power handlers and does massive damage takes NO required resocues and is pretty easy while T21 requires all sorts of specal resouces and then sucks in damage output compaired to a good laser. Im just wondering if the T21 will ever get better and if it does not i think the resource cost should be reduced by some. I mean i dont like using up 10 advanced power handlers on a T21 now. I used too but not now.

Please no flames. I am a weaponsmith and i hate telling my customers that a Laser is better then a T21.

well T-21 is AP heavy and a laser rifle is AP light. I wouldn't go as far as saying a laser rifle is better unless hte customer is one of those types that dont look at any other stat besides max damage. Perhaps for a really novice rifleman the speed would make a difference butamaster rifleman can even fire thosepre-nerf 450max damage 9.0 speedt-21's at 1.0 due to thespeed equation being exponential.For a master rifleman they are still going to want a good damage sliced T-21 esp for the 50-64m range. As far as them getting better, well considering it has been nerfed, nerfed again, un-nerfed, and then re-nerfed, dont count on it

psst, eeman, laser rifle is medium ap.

I agree the T-21 needs some fixing up. I am both a master weaponsmith, and a 3-2-0-2 rifleman. I use my laser rifle 99.9% of the time, because it does more damage, and does it quicker, with less ham cost. The only thing I use my T-21 for are Krayt Dragons, because it's the only gun that does more than 50 damage/shot to it. With Kimmogilla's which also have heavy armor, my AC1 Jawa Ion Rifle, does far more damage than the T-21. And I haven't even been able to make my own T-21 yet, because 2 of the resources haven't spawned on my server since I made master weaponsmith over 2 months ago..Polonium Iron, and Gallorian Rainbow Crystalin Gemstone...where as the heavy commando weapons that no longer require specific resources are now majorly improved, and easier to make. As a wookiee, I would also like to see an improvement to the bowcaster...as it basicly is about the same as the DLT20/DLT20a since it has no armor piercing.

I am both Master WS and Master Rifleman.

The T21 just sucks. The armor piercing is either bugged or does not work as people think, either way the benefit from 1 point more in the AP is completely negated by the much higher HAM costs of the T21. Yes, there are more stats than just damage and speed, but given that you can probably buy 3 Laser rifles for the price of one T21 and therefore get a much better slice (statistically), I think it's a waste making T21. Sure, a perfectly sliced T21 would be better, it's just so much more unlikely to get.

The rifleman community has tried to get it un-nerfed ever since that day, without getting any attention from the devs. There is a 63 pages thread about this in the SWG discussion board, if you are real bored and want to read it


Still, you will find that even while it's not much better than a good Laser rifle, people will buy it. They will buy it because it's a mystical rare gun, they will buy it because they think armor piercing would work. They will buy it because they don't look at the HAM costs. They will buy it just to test it out or because they have too much money anyway. So once you can build T21, I would do that. Charge insane prices for them, and if they are selling good for you. I don't recommend it to my customers, but still they want it. So they get it.

very good point.. people DO think the ap is a drastic change to a gun. and having heavy over light or medium is uber and well worth the money. but to tell the truth... i didnt notice one difference while fighting a krayt with laser and t21.. i got better damage from the laser.. even tho its only medium ap over a heavy ap mob.. i think heavy is actually bugged.. they may have fixed t21's being heavy ap.. but didnt fix heavy ap working

Well my WS friends here is something new to throw in the argument:

Damage Mitigation- From what I'm told damage mitigation reduces the range from minimun damage to maximum damage.

Lets take damage mitigation level 3 on the T-21 and laser rifle(All weapons are my weapons)

T-21 123-352, Laser Rifle 43- 400, damage mitigation 3 reduces range by 60%

Range for the T-21 is 229, how much damage reduced by mitigation 137.

New T-21 damage after mitigation 123-215

Laser Rifle range 357, how much reduced by mitigation 214

New Laser Rifle after mitigation 43-186.

Now with Damage mitigation the Laser rifle is much worse than a T-21

Personally, I think damage mitigation is absolutely retarded, and I also feel that a T-21 is an excellent tool when used properly. With the recent realization of how armor piercing *really* works, I've found my T-21 has an excellent place in cracking through the insanity that is 80%+ composite suits, or Nightsisters with 100% resistance to energy.

While I would appreciate having a T-21 rifle that fired blast damage and had statistics closer to those of a flamer than a rifle, I think the T-21 is absolutely viable in it's current incarnation. It simply must be used in a situation that properly calls for it, I.E, taking downheavily armored or extremely resistant targets,which "getting XP" most certainly is not often inclusive of.

Of course, Damage mitigation, with the weight it puts on melee classes and advanced classes with state-applying abilities like Bounty Hunters and Smugglers, is another beast entirely.

yah,T21's are so far nerfed its retarded. im a master weaponsmith and almost master rifleman. they best T21 i can make with good damage slice has about 200-478 8.3 and the best laser rifle i can make with a good damage slice has 120-540 7.0 .. so my lasers can end up being 720 damage with a powerup and still uses less ham then my t21. i dont even use my T21 anymore