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Thread: CU: Old Converted Weapons vs Post CU Crafted Weapons question..
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Elzmantathaar
Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:16 pm
#1
I have been wondering, yet uable to test, whether it would be better to makehigh endweapons now and have them go through the conversion process, or should I wait and make them after the upgrade?
I have seen stats of weapons both post and pre conversion, and I have seen the stats of weapons given out by the blue frogs. But I have not seen any stats of actual crafted weapons from the upgrade to compare to similarly created items (same resources andWS skills)pre upgrade.
If anyone has tested this (if their server was used as a test bed for the conversion already) can you post them here or point me to the right thread if this has already been documented.
Thanks!
Palath
Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:20 pm
#2
I'm not absolutely positive on this, but I think it doesn't matter much because there is supposed to be a "hard cap" on weapons, now.
weaponmaster88
Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:45 pm
#3
well assuming they listen to us at all and loosen the hard cap, then some weapons are better crafted before such as E11's. they will convert to E11's Mark II's which in the CU use projectile feed mechs so will only be able to be enhanced with gorax bones, so it would probably be easier to craft them now with tissues
HoopR
Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:15 pm
#4
The Weapon Conversion process for the CU is still evolving and being "tweaked" I would imagine, so keep that in mind when glancing over the examples I list below. At the point this was tested on TC3-Ahazi, newly crafted weapons beat converted hands-down in all cases.
Key to interpret: PC = Pre-conversion C = Converted NC = Newly crafted
PC Krayt Geo Pistol AS 2.0 166-359 DPS 131.25
C Krayt Geo Pistol AS 2.66 308-529 DPS 157.21
NC Unenhanced Geo Pistol AS 1.96 225-483 DPS 180.73
PC Nym's VK AS 2.2 49-221 DPS 61.36
C Nym's VK AS 3.54 222-461 DPS 96.31
NC Unenhanced VK AS 3.0 238-462 DPS 116.84
PC Geo-enhanced Gaffi AS 3.5178-322 DPS 71.43
C Geo-enhanced Gaffi AS 2.68 162-331 DPS 91.64
NC Unenhanced Gaffi AS 2.19 154-309 DPS 105.26
This is just a small sampling of the 20+ examples I submitted in the testing report on the Conversion Forum. Hopefully changes have been made in the conversion process that makes enhanced weaponry better than their unenhanced counterparts. I guess we all will know shortly 
LookOfDeath
Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:31 pm
#5
Well lets face facts if it isn't then hopefully you made a killing before 
but I believe it will be fixed
but I believe it will be fixed
PostWhenHappy
Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:18 am
#6
Heres some fresh data comparing Pre-CU Krayt T21's and newly crafted T21's...
Pre-CU Krayt T21(no powerup but damage sliced)
Damage 222-562 at 7.3 speed
Wound: 36.9%
Don't know the DPS before conversion
Converted to..
Damage 500-1045at 2.8 speed
DPS : 275.23/sec
Wound: 17.87%
Special Attack Cost: 104
Post-CU Krayt T21 (no powerup and unsliced)
Damage 501-1017at 2.52 speed
DPS: 301.32/sec
Wound 33.35% (Cap)
Special Attack Cost: 97
Post-CU T21 (no powerup and unsliced)
Damage 501-1012 at 2.56 speed
DPS: 295.01/sec
Wound: 33.35% (Cap)
Special Attack Cost: 97
A couple things to note...
- Spent 9 pts on damage and 2 on speed in experimentation lines.
- Used converted krayt power handlers as opposed to newly crafted krayt power handlers. Im fairly certain that this is gonna make some difference when i finally get around to crafting new krayt power handlers. All other components used were also converted components and not newly crafted.
- The stocks i used in the post-CU rifles still show as adding 40 damage to min/max. Dunno if this is a bug or if they decided to add damage modifiers to stocks again.
- Condition on both new T21's is 869.
As you can see, the Pre-CU T21 whichwas a very good rifle (though not uber, crafted with base krayt tissues with a good damage slice)pre-CUis really inferior to the newly crafted rifles. The only exception is the condition which is 200 points higher than new rifles.
Vade_WS
Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:23 am
#7
Some of the old looted weapons have converted very well. I had a NSL with a bad damage and DOT. It has now been converted to a 158.3dps weapon.
PostWhenHappy
Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:34 am
#8
Just a quick observation...
Pre-CU weapons that were custom made to show scopes now are buggered and show the new scopes in addition to the old scopes that sit right above the handle. Looks pretty dumb.
CasualMaker
Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:41 am
#9
I know this is much, much lower than the weapons you are concerned with but... What are typical stats for a CU-crafted DLT20 rifle? I bought a very nice [Atren] DLT20 just before conversion, with min/max damage around 110+/200+ and 5.9 spd. After conversion it was only just barely better than a crafted CDEF rifle. Botched conversion or "working as intended"?
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