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Thread: SOE Math is OFF BAD on new CU components an analysis and essay
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caddelite
Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:31 pm
#1
Ok, this new "SOE math" in the making of weapons is WRONG. Allow me to explain with numerous examples.
As I said previous, I made TWO different NEW-CU experimented components, ONEexperiemented fully into damage, alittle into speed and a 2nd experimented fully into speed, and alittle into damage. I did this on ALL Advanced Weaponsmith Components. These results on the COMPONENTS were very drastic, I was curious to see how the Damage Per Second (DPS) stats would be after final assembly.
Let's take a look and compare old weapons to new (with both newly CU crafted speed and damage experimented components)
Blaster Fists, these are for Combat Level 40 Characters.
These require (3) Advanced Power Handlers (what go into ranged weapons) and (1) Advanced Vibro Blade Unit...
The Vibroblade Units I made, came out with these stats... LOOK at the Damage and Speed differences:
Damage Experimented VBU: 23 min 48 max -0.99 Speed
SpeedExperimented VBU: 18 min 43 max -1.79 Speed
This is a 0.8 Speed difference! However, when I craft the Blaster Fists, they come out with these stats!!!!!
Damage Experimented VBU in Blaster Fist: 270-545 Damage 2.08 Speed with 210.91 DPS (Damage per second)
Speed Experimented VBU in Blaster Fist: 264-540 Damage 2.10 Speed with 216.87 DPS
WHERE IS THE -0.8 SPEED REDUCTION USING THE SPEED EXPERIMENTED Vibro Blade Unit? (VBU) I only see a 0.02 difference!
Ok, next, I made new Light Lightning Cannons (LLC). My old LLC's were 460-800 max damage 4.5 speed.
Again, I made two different Advanced Blaster Rifle Barrels (ABRB), one experimented for SPEED and one experimented for DAMAGE, here are the stats of those Rifle Barrels:
Damage Experimented ABRB 24 min 49 max -0.81 Speed
Speed Experimented ABRB 17 min 42 max -1.85 Speed.
This is a 1.04 Speed difference! However, when I made the LLC's, LOOK AT THIS!
Old LLC (converted CU stats): 257 min 594 max 2.77 Speed for 153.61 DPS
Damage Experimented ABRB LLC 304 min 617 max 2.44 Speed for 188.46 DPS
Speed Experimented ABRB LLC 299 min 611 max damage 2.36 Speed for 192.75 DPS
WHERE IS THE -1.04 SPEED REDUCTIONG USING THE SPEED EXPERIMENTED Advanced Blaster Rifle Barrel???? I only see 0.08 difference.
It gets worse.... Next I experimented on Gaffi Batons with a two fold approach (which got majorly nerfed if you had Acklay Gaffi's)
Again, I made a SPEED and DAMAGE experimented Advanced Reinforcement Core (ARC).
ARC stats:
Damage ARC: 23-48 damage -0.89 Speed
Speed ARC: 17-43 damage -1.708 Speed
This is a 0.818 Speed Improvement
Old Gaffi Baton: 137-301 (2.15) 101.87 DPS
Speed ARC + Speed Experimentation! 108-258 (1.8) 100.01 DPS (note: put 10 points into the Speed Line, 2 into Damage)
SpeedARC +Damage Experimentation! 113-262 (1.91) 100.01 DPS (note: put 10 points into Damage Line, 2 into Speed)
Damage ARC + Speed Experimentation! 147-293 (2.11) 102.87 DPS
Damage ARC + Damage Experimentation! 148-298 (2.19) 101.79 DPS
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE? The best DPS Gaffi came out using the damage experimented component and speed experimented weapon assembly? There is no -0.818 Speed reduction benefit from using the superior speed ARC and there is hardly ANY variance using ANY Components or ANY experimentation philosophy!!!!!! 100.01 DPS vs. 102.87 DPS, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?
Heck, only ONE method using NEW components and a NEW assembly even BEAT the old Gaffi Batons I used to make!
Not to mention, ALL new weapons have LESS Condition than pre-CU weapons.
I'm sorry, but the MATH involved in this new crafting system IS BEYOND THE KNOWN LAWS OF SCIENCE ESTABLISHED ON OUR PLANET!
How does a component with such drastically superior speed produce NO affect in the final crafted weapon? What do you think will happen when looted components are included into customs weapons? There will be very little gains made...
Accamim
Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:01 pm
#2
I think somewhere it's stated here that components' speed values are off by a factor of 10. That means -0.99 speedis -0.099 and -1.79 is -0.179 which is only a difference of -0.08 which means your experiments aren't that far off from what others are seeing.
Implementor
Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:05 pm
#4
i experimented alot of melee weapons
used this method on subcomponents and final builds max speed/rest in damage.
max damage/rest in speed
a 6/6 split between then
On the final build there was barely any difference between min-max damages, speeds and DPS of each.
Yesteday was the first day in 12months i was actually bored while crafting O_o
Sent_RS
Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:08 pm
#5
Implementor wrote:
Yesteday was the first day in 12months i was actually bored while crafting O_o
CHIRKITIAITIAJFJADFNDknjfslsjsfhl!!!!
I have a Master WS character too.
I'm pissed.
Implementor
Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:20 pm
#6
Sent_RS wrote:
Implementor wrote:
Yesteday was the first day in 12months i was actually bored while crafting O_o
CHIRKITIAITIAJFJADFNDknjfslsjsfhl!!!!
I have a Master WS character too.
I'm pissed.
*giggle* *beam*
/slaps a googley-eye sticker on your back
Gah i spent 12 hours on WS yesterday experimenting and starting some factory runs of subs. You wouldn't believe the shaft i got on stored enhancers.
But seriously i used to be able to tweak stuff a certain direction and get a unique and interesting result, add enhancers in and it became more so. BUt getting virtually the same result on 6 or more vastly different experiment procedures?!?! bah how boring
SWROChandler
Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:28 pm
#7
Condition is the same as before assuming you didn't put any points into it, since you can't now. That speed discrepancy is disturbing though... looks like I'm going to have to redo a dozen component runs or so
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