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Has anyone run tests with capped weapons and varying levels of minimum damage to detail how min dmg affects overall damage when using specials? We know power-ups draw their increase from the minimum damage, and apparently slicing % is supposed to work the same way. The question is how does 355-948 differ from 370-948? I have not had enough cappable tissue to experiment with this on my own. Has anyone else been able to determine the effects?

moo?

With some basic testing, (by that I mean non-extensive) I ran into this rough basis for damage. On creatures a 250 accuracy or higher will yield maximum damage of a weapon per the damage multiplier of the attack. Anything below will begin to lower the amount shown in the attack until you hit a min. This "min" I have only seen againt high end mobs with increased defenses (such as necrosis). I can tell straight out though that the min and max are the caps for the damage based on the difference between your accuracy and your targets defense.

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EdOWar wrote:

Considering there is no random damage anymore, I think it would be difficult to judge how min damage affects overall damage. Maybe you could make two weapons of the same type with same max damage ratings, but different min damages (not quite sure how you would manage that though), then test the weapons to see if they do different amounts of damage.

Slim Vargo, Corbantis

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Is it just me or is this really stupid? I'd much prefer they slightly increase the damage multipliers with the specials, and then have us shoot for random damages. Making all shots shoot for max damage, but with stupidly low multipliers really removes a fun aspect of the game. It's way too predictable IMHO.

Message Edited by samijx on 06-07-2005 06:03 PM

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Scorpy_LF wrote:

I've done some unintentional testing on this and find that higher min damage with equal max damage does mean higher DPS if thats what your wondering.

Advanced Laser Rifles I've made with equal max damage to a T21 comes out with a lower DPS than the T21. And both sport the same speed.

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well yeah, that is obvious. the question is when you look at your combat log do you see bigger numbers or not?

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Earland wrote:
With some basic testing, (by that I mean non-extensive) I ran into this rough basis for damage. On creatures a 250 accuracy or higher will yield maximum damage of a weapon per the damage multiplier of the attack. Anything below will begin to lower the amount shown in the attack until you hit a min. This "min" I have only seen againt high end mobs with increased defenses (such as necrosis). I can tell straight out though that the min and max are the caps for the damage based on the difference between your accuracy and your targets defense.

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Actually that makes a bit of sense. Keeps people that have insane accruacy from doing large amounts of damage against a low defense target (max damage limit). On the other end it keeps the people that have hardly any accuracy from doing almost no damage to a high defense target (min damage).

I've done some unintentional testing on this and find that higher min damage with equal max damage does mean higher DPS if thats what your wondering.

Advanced Laser Rifles I've made with equal max damage to a T21 comes out with a lower DPS than the T21. And both sport the same speed.

Considering there is no random damage anymore, I think it would be difficult to judge how min damage affects overall damage. Maybe you could make two weapons of the same type with same max damage ratings, but different min damages (not quite sure how you would manage that though), then test the weapons to see if they do different amounts of damage.

Slim Vargo, Corbantis

Actually...that makes loads of sense. I have noticed a different damage value among different mobs, but using the same weapon and specials. I still like the random aspect of damage values, but if it's based on min/max of the weapon with accuracy dictating where the attack lands, then at least there's a meathod to the madness.

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Earland wrote:
This "min" I have only seen againt high end mobs with increased defenses (such as necrosis). I can tell straight out though that the min and max are the caps for the damage based on the difference between your accuracy and your targets defense.

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raider7734 wrote:

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Earland wrote:
This "min" I have only seen againt high end mobs with increased defenses (such as necrosis). I can tell straight out though that the min and max are the caps for the damage based on the difference between your accuracy and your targets defense.

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There is truth in this, when I shot a CL 90grand krayt dragon, it mitigated my damage all to hell. This is a totally different ballgame than shooting a CL 80 mob, where Min damage counts for zip...

Max/
WeaponMinMax DifAvg MinAccLSDAB Pos.Pos/MinPos/MaxPos/Avg Pos/(Min+0.37*Dif)
old E11Mk2 263771 508517 2.9320440415856 3.254752851.11024641.655706 1.8981728
E11Mk2 Krayt 432 1017 585724.5 2.354 17 633 597 1231 2.84953704 1.2104228 1.69910281.898373
old Laser 295 590 295442.5 2 0 394 372 767 2.61.3 1.7333333 1.8978102

Key:Dif=difference between Min & Max, LSD=Legshot damage, AB=Armor blocked, Pos=(out of) Possible damage.
CL 80 toon, Carbine accuracy = +65, General ranged accuracy = +200

The 0.37 is just a number I came up with to get a close correlation between the weapon stats and the Possible damage. What this tells me is that I was doing only Min damage plus 37% of the damage range,due to...CL difference maybe?? Seems the +17 scope on the krayted E11 did not make much difference.

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the only thing keeping us from real complete feedback now is the examine window bug...