Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: SAC vs Damage
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Samaw
Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:17 am
#1
We all have come to the conclusion that SAC is the main way to go on a gun. But has anyone done a study to determine at what point SAC doesn't need to be any lower.
Basicly the question i have is say you have a gun with 73 SAC but DPS is 290 and you can fight non stop for hours or would it be better to have a gun with 90 SAC and DPS around 315 and be able to stay in combat non stop for say 10 min. Which is longer than most pvp battles should go. When looking at this way I'm sure there is a break point at which getting a SAC any lower becomes a waste of experimentation?
Blackmoore
Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:45 am
#2
Hooray! Someone else is trying to figure out what the Action regen rate is! Don't forgetfood/spice/buffs too. If you fly high then this should alter the way you experiment on weapons too. And whether or not you use a action powerup. Why waste the points if you don't have too!
Oh, but what about the accuracy part of the equation? Still don't get this.
Samaw
Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:52 am
#3
In final experimentation Accuracy isnt worth it because 1 exp = to 1 accuracy from what i saw. So I feel when you are wanting accuracy scopes is the only way to go.
Blackmoore
Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:27 am
#4
I am talking accuracyin the combatequation and how you experiment the rest of the damage and SAC exp points.If you know the regen rate and what actionmods/food/spice/buffs you are using, then you might not need to put as much into SAC and can put more into damage. Look at what accuracy you can get on an FWG5 with pre CU scopes + the pistol mod.
Also, I made some +64 accuracy powerups. Meaning that I will do SAC first until whatever regen rate is shooting and regen at the same rate.(Need damage modifiers for specials) Also, are there different SAC modifiers for each special? Meaning does each shot use the same action cost depending on the SAC of the weapon? If not we can go even more customizable here depending on what specials people like to use.
I feel we are getting shafted for our final combine on accuracy anyway we should be getting more than +1 base to our ranged weapons anywyay. Can't speak for melee weapons yet.But with those accuracypowerups I have, I will be sure to use those. But, I would like to see testing evidence to the contrary concerning SAC and damage powerups as to whether I should use them over the accuracy ones.
I am just talking maximizing the efficiency overall of your weapon. There are plenty of variables here.
But as it stands right now I probably go SAC/Speed (until I know Ican get 2.0 on the final combine)on subs SAC/Damage on final combine. Pray for a good damageslice (or that smugglers will be able to choose which slice they get in the future) and then use my accuracy powerups. To me, that should be a pretty efficient weapon.
raider7734
Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:27 am
#5
Samaw wrote:
Basicly the question i have is say you have a gun with 73 SAC but DPS is 290 and you can fight non stop for hours or would it be better to have a gun with 90 SAC and DPS around 315 and be able to stay in combat non stop for say 10 min. Which is longer than most pvp battles should go. When looking at this way I'm sure there is a break point at which getting a SAC any lower becomes a waste of experimentation?
It'spossible to have too low of SAC (big exception: if you have adrenaline boost) but it will vary with each person, depending on their combat speed,speed of the weapon, the specials used,spice / food, etc etc etc.
For example, one of my carbines is432-1017 @ 2.36, 81 SAC. When kiting akrayt around with this gun, my action is pegged at 100% abouthalf of the time.That's wasted potential regen. I could use a higher SAC / higher dps weapon for this.
What I have done is made a bunch of crates of powerups ranging from 8.43% to 27.7% SAC reduction. I'll use these to fine tune the SAC on weapons until I know what the SAC needs to be for a weapon with __ speed to last for a __ minute fight based on my fighting style.
But this will only help myself. What applies to me with 120 speed, using critical shot and legshot while on pixie and blob candy, won't have any relevance to someone with different speed, different specials, and different buffs.
tesop
Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:48 pm
#6
personally, i have not done any testing with weapons other than Lightsabers.
With the LS SAC at 95, any basic action regen food, I can use specials forever.
EDIT: 0404 Lightsaber
With the LS SAC at 95, any basic action regen food, I can use specials forever.
EDIT: 0404 Lightsaber
Message Edited by tesop on 06-16-2005 01:49 PM
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