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Thread: Krayt Tissue Now or Later?

Noconii
Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:50 am
#1

Can anyone tell me if using my krayt tissue now will be more effective before or after the CU? Can anyone speculate as to whether or not the tissue value will be the same post cu? (less tissue available post cu but less effective?)
KillerBeez
Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:40 am
#2

I can't answer your question, but i would say if the dev's want to really make ppl angry then they should screw up on the tissue conversion.


WEapons conversion is hard enough to swallow but for the sake of balance alot of us can swallow it. At least when we are talking about overall balancing issues.


But tissues...that is just robbing ppl of hard work. And if tissue are still going to be around after cu then the current ones should be adjusted. This would cause no inbalance as not adjusting some weapons would.


What we need is a dev response on this, but i am not holding my breath.


Beez
giffordgekko
Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:51 am
#3

we cant have a dev response for everything but i would like one on this important issue
KillerBeez
Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:55 am
#4

They responded to apost in bria weapons conversion thread aboutincorrect conversion regarding "Grenades". I think that the tissue thing is alot more imp. to alot more ppl than grenades.



Beez
KillerBeez
Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:11 am
#5


Maybe this will help...


Clicky


Seems they are converting to something that looks like what might be seen post CU. I have been hunting krayt for over a month and have amassed many tissue. When testcenter conversion hits valcyn this week i will post a bunch of them here and on conversion thread if it will help.


Beez
KillerBeez
Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:13 am
#6

Accamim
Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:30 am
#7

I do know that mathematically it would be very difficult to isolate the value of your tissues from a component.


If they were to balance only the ABPH part of the component after isolating the tissue value like everyone wants, we would see reasonable conversions.

They are "normalizing" the final stats and can't isolate the tissue value.


Let me ask if anyone can tell me my tissue values from my ABPH? or better yet my ABPH value (that should be "normalized") without the tissue?

Max damage is 83.


I would say don't convert your tissues to components because it is a nightmare to find the true conversion (i.e. only convert the ABPH part of the component then add the tissue value). If you have components already made, I would make weapons from them and hope the final combine conversion is better. It is a lot easier for the devs to bring current weapons into line than components. I do have a feeling that there will be good side to creating unused components preCU. We won't be saying "I wish I made more components before the CU".



Hurlobacca
Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:53 pm
#8






Accamim wrote:

I do know that mathematically it would be very difficult to isolate the value of your tissues from a component.


Let me ask if anyone can tell me my tissue values from my ABPH? or better yet my ABPH value (that should be "normalized") without the tissue?

Max damage is 83.






I don't see why determining the value of the tissues from a component would be difficult at all. Most smiths on Wanderhome can make abph's at 20/41 -.41 so abph's made with base tissues are 20/71 -.71. Based on that information, the tissue value of your 83 max damage abph is probably between 41-43 max, as some server's resources are a little better and some server's are a little worse. It would be easy enough for the them to determine the range among serversand select something in the middle as a standard value. If krayt tissue values are unchanged then all they have to do is adjust the handlers to post revamp stats then add the max damage in excess of standard stats. This would be very similar to what they are attempting to do with the weapons themselves though there seem to be some issues with this that they seem to be trying to address.


If krayt tissue values have changed (e.g. if base tissues are now going to be 90 max or whatever) then all they have to do is increase the value of the handlers proportionate to the new range of the enhancement.


I don't think most people are worried about losing a point or two in the conversion process, they just want the weapon, enhanced component, or loot itself to convert into something proportially representative of what will be available/craftable post revamp. For both crafters who have enhanced inventory, crafted enhancedcompents and lootand players who have accululated nice weapons this is going to be a critical factor in how they ultimately perceive the revamp.


Message Edited by Hurlobacca on 04-20-2005 12:54 AM



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Lotok
Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:39 am
#9

why even bother, krayt tissue etc is completly useless after curb as explained here



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CorenLanra
Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:08 pm
#10

The thing that is hard in converting is the fact that there are now 2 lines of experimentation. Prevoiusly there was only 1 line dmg, and the useless line "durability". I for one would experiment up to about 83% (usually 8-9points) and make my schematic because we all know waht happens if you get a Moderate Success no "durability". Your max dmg decreases normally and there is no way to recover.

I tested Tissues on TC-Chilastra and found this.

posted on the conversion test forums..
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Char: Stettin Palver
Galaxy: Chilastra - Corellia, Coronet 275 -5959
Item Krayt Tissue:

Tissue #1: Converted from 21-82 -.99 (approx 40dmg tissue -57 speed used) Final stats 23-53 -2.0

Tissue #2: Crafted POST CU, Tissue was 57 -.51, Final stats 19-102dmg -1.98 speed 4ActionCost

Conclusion: Using tissues with only 17 greater dmg POST CU, the ABPH is nearly 50 damage GREATER than one crafted and made into a factory run PRE CU. This cannot be working as intended as many smiths craft their tissues immediately to store in output hoppers because we simply do not have the lots to store all of our loot.
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I should also add that the ABPH crafted in the CU I only put probably 3-4 points into damage to get it to 102dmg and the rest I put into speed to get the stats as close as possible in speed.

Message Edited by CorenLanra on 04-20-2005 10:11 PM



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Samaw
Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:43 am
#11

bottom line if you put your tissues into crates of PH's use them now if you they are still in raw sets save them till after the CU.



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