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Thread: LD-1 vs. Berserker/Tusken? Can the Berserker or Tusken win?

Imaridril
Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:11 am
#1
Right now, for most rifleman, the LD-1 is the weapon of choice if you want a Kinetic rifle for use in PvP. Unfortunately for Weaponsmiths, this is a quest reward weapon, and not a crafted one. However, I've been trying to run some numbers in my head, and I'm wondering if with the right loots it would be possible to craft a Berserker or Tusken that would be a better overall Kinetic rifle. For those of you that are unaware, here's the stats for the LD-1, unsliced...


Combat Level Requried: 50

Damage Type: Kinetic

Attack Speed: 2.5

Damage: 458-935

Accuracy Bonus: 0

Wound: 0.9%

Estimated Base DPS: 274.4/sec

SAC: 95


Now, clearly a Berserker or Tusken can never have as high of max damage, since the LD-1's max is higher than the cap for Berserkers and Tuskens, however, for PvP, min damage is a lot more important, and I think with the right experimentation, and especially if you have some pre-nerf 40/40 stocks, you could get a Berserker or Tusken's min damage up to around the same level as that of the LD-1. The other two big areas where a Tusken or Berserker could clearly beat an LD-1 is SAC and Accuracy. You could probably also get a little bit better speed on the Berserker or Tusken, depending on your loots and experimentation.


Basically, assume that you have perfect resources, a +60 scope, a nice reinforced casing, and a pre-nerf 40/40 stock with -20 SAC. What sort of stats do you think you could get on a Berserker or Tusken?




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JoleneArcher
Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:27 am
#2
Wasn't the Min/Max Dmg removed from Pre-CU stocks?



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Imaridril
Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:38 am
#3




JoleneArcher wrote:
Wasn't the Min/Max Dmg removed from Pre-CU stocks?



Yeah, but on a few servers the patch that did that got bugged and a lot of 40/40 stocks didn't get the min/max damage stripped off them.I happen to be on one of the servers where 40/40 stocks are still pretty plentiful.




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ShugFlurry
Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:51 am
#4

Imaridril wrote:

JoleneArcher wrote:
Wasn't the Min/Max Dmg removed from Pre-CU stocks?

Yeah, but on a few servers the patch that did that got bugged and a lot of 40/40 stocks didn't get the min/max damage stripped off them. I happen to be on one of the servers where 40/40 stocks are still pretty plentiful.




Erm wow, I can see damage capped carbines being crafted really really really easily. Triple cap being easy, quadruple if you include wound.



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Issik
Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:23 pm
#5
Berzerker > LD-1

I'll trade 13 SAC for 50 max damage any day.



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Swalex1100
Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:56 pm
#6

LD1 > Berserker IMO.


With an 8% Damage slice, the LD is literally Lethal.





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Imaridril
Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:17 am
#7

Well, I decided to just give this a go myself and see just how good of Berserker I could put together. Here's the stats on the best one I was able to put together... (These stats are all unsliced.)

Combat Level Required: 40
Damage Type: Kinetic
Attack Speed: 2.41
Damage: 395-887
Accuracy Bonus: +61
Wound: 40.25%
Estimated Base DPS: 266.4/sec
SAC: 82


Now, as far as the important stats are concerned, this gun beats the LD-1 on speed, accuracy, and SAC, however what really matters is how it would fare in PvP. I decided to run this gun and the LD-1 through the damage formulas to see how well they'd stack up. In both tests I used an MBH/Master Rifles/CM 4000 as both the shooter and the target. I did the calculations as if both players had +50 accuracy and defense from SEAs, and I assumed that the person being shot at would have Improved Duelist Stance running, and that he would have armor with 4000 Kinetic Resists. I used Advanced Critical as the special for calculating the damage mod.


Using the above scenario, the Berserker I craftedwould hit in PvP for 493 damage, and an LD-1 would hit for 526 damage. (This is assuming that the accuracy bonus on guns actually works.) Anyways, while its clear that even an excellent Berserker or Tusken will never hit harder than an LD-1, keep in mind that the Berserker in my above example has significantly lower SAC and slightly faster speed. Plus the higher accuracy might make it hit more often.


Also, if there's any Rifleman reading this thread that PvP, what are your opinions on the Berserker I put together?







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Haywood
Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:18 am
#8
Swalex1100 wrote:

LD1 > Berserker IMO.


With an 8% Damage slice, the LD is literally Lethal.







I totally agree with an 8% damage slice you are looking at

495-1009


2.5 second speed, 1.2-1.3 with SEAs, MBH/MR


95 sac, 65-70 with a Good SAC powerup and maybe -7 or -10 accuray.


That will kick any crafted Kinetic Rifles butt. THat is why I have two of them






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Archlurker
Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:26 am
#9
Did the LD-'1's change at any point mine is 520-1040 damage without being sliced - maybe I should take it off the wall and go play with it. Wrong gun - lol ignore this..

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