Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: Most WS think new loot will ruin the market... i think it will help...
To be honest new better stuff is the best thing for any market especially with adk's out there.
Imagine if every6 or so months there was a better weapon that can be made (even just a litte, raising dmg cap by 20, or lowering the sac by 2would even work)... this would phase out the old and bring sales to the new.
Message Edited by Anarchicgorilla on 09-14-2005 10:13 AM
i think the problem is that weapon caps (uber weapons) are to achieve by lots of WS per server now.
that, the fact that bh loots are way to expensive and thatthe adks make the uber wpn inifite lead to a small market even for highend ws
my vendor is full with the best wpns onmy server
example:
HCS(unsliced, no pu)
I'm basically just making Krayt Tissue, Enhanced Power Cell or Reinforced Cassing Enhanced Weapons. I'm making good profits making only a few elite guns a week. This past week i sold 4 Weapons:
2 Enhanced Power Cell DE-10's: 10 Mil Each
2 Enhanced Power Cell Trandoshan Rifles: 13 and 15 Mil Respectively.
Total for the week was 48.0 Mil. Now i did have to buy some trando barrels, de-10 barrels, de-10 schematics and power cells but i was able to make some deals and still turn a very nice profit.
The people buying my weapons usually have an ADK waiting. If ADK did not exist i'm pretty sure i wouldnt be able to sell weapons for these prices.
I love the new loot because i'm a casual Weaponsmith and don't have a ton of time to make huge runs of weapons and keep a vendor stocked. These new Loots allow me to make a few nice weapons, sell for a great profit and make a name for myself.
So I for one do not believe the new Loot hurt us at all. If you can get your hands on some of the new stuff and are a casual Weaponsmith like myself, then you can really have alot of fun making top notch weapons and turning a nice profit without spending days running factories.
Now, if your are a budding weaponsmith, this won't be your niche. However, i dont make any Un-Enhanced weapons anymore. Thus new weaponsmiths will not have competition from me for low end weapons. There are new players joining SWG everyday and there gonna need Newbie Weaponsmiths. I won't be helping them but new weaponsmiths will have that niche for newcomers to the game and people changing professions that may need a nov gun.
Message Edited by Gunga000 on 09-14-2005 11:34 AM
Yeah, I see the OP's point, but Eky has brought out the flaw. Right now we can easily double cap a weapon with the right loot (triple if you count wound). Make a Master level weapon and once you get the speed low enough, there's no point in getting the speed any lower because the Modified speed will be capped anyway.
True, the more loot the cheaper it will be and new loot may add a new twist to the equation, But the caps are still there...there is no getting better. Use a new "Obi-Wan's cataract" loot in a blaster...fun once, but the gun can't come out any better than the one you made 4 patches ago.
People may very well decide to stop ADK'ing capped weapons because they are readily available and relatively cheap when compared to ADK's however the newand readily available loots will not allow us to better our product, and I think that's what people here care about.
Anarchicgorilla wrote:
I agreee with what you say. But the BH drop rate has droped for componets (likely do to outrage) and thus the reason the are still highly priced.
Cells etc. are high priced because:
1) they are still newis (any time something is new.. its value is a little higher)
2) they are dropping at lower rate then at first
Simple example: ICB's
before BH drops they were hell of rare and sold for 1-2 million
Now you can get them for 10 k why... supply I get 1 in about ever 3 npc missions I run (my alt is MBH)
In the week of new BH stuff I got a total of 8 sets of weapon stuff (cells, casing, scopes, stocks)
I have ran over 100 mission during the last week and have not got a single one of any. (and i am not the only one seeing this)
If the cells would have maintained a decently high drop rate you would not be paying 6 million for them (take icb example)
But the global community was in outrage for the most part... and the drops changed...
If the drops would have stayed high then the prices for the weapon componets would have slowly droped to a reasonable price.. like in my example.
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i have to disagree that bh loots droprate was lowered.
there are cells, casings and scopes on the tradeboards. constantly.
guildies of mine loot them on nearlya daily basis.
what really dictates the market isnt the fact that the stuff is new, its all about demand and supply. what is it good for when a WS buys cells for 8 and has to sell the crafted weapon(and i dont have to say hwo much work it is to become doublecap capable) for 6 to just get his money back?
GrooperNugent wrote:
Yeah, I see the OP's point, but Eky has brought out the flaw. Right now we can easily double cap a weapon with the right loot (triple if you count wound). Make a Master level weapon and once you get the speed low enough, there's no point in getting the speed any lower because the Modified speed will be capped anyway.
True, the more loot the cheaper it will be and new loot may add a new twist to the equation, But the caps are still there...there is no getting better. Use a new "Obi-Wan's cataract" loot in a blaster...fun once, but the gun can't come out any better than the one you made 4 patches ago.
People may very well decide to stop ADK'ing capped weapons because they are readily available and relatively cheap when compared to ADK's however the newand readily available loots will not allow us to better our product, and I think that's what people here care about.
You hit the nail on the head, and this is for Gunga000 also. im happy that youre having such nice business. but once everyone has his triplecapped gun and hammered an adk on it. you think youll see such a wealthy customer again ?
Yes, there is not a huge difference between making a rifle using 180 Krayt Tissue and 180 Damage Power Cells (Except the SAC Help). The powercells really only have given me an edge in lowering the speed more than with krayt tissues since i spend less exp pts on SAC with powercells.
However the best application for Power Cells would be Pistols since there SAC cap is 65. There its very difficult to CAP both the SAC and Damage even with high end powercells.
And your right , with the CAPS in place , sooner or later everyone will be making the same high end weapons and you will lose your uniqueness as a top level WS. However, the new loot has been around for awhile (trando rifles, power cells, reinforced cassings) and there are only a handful of WS on my server taking full advantage of them. Alot of WS don't want to put in the time to really make elite weapons. Top end WS on my server are decreasing so i don't see my business being affected too much.
Well we have seen new weapons introduced and more will be introduced in the future. Someone who had an ADK on an ALR destroyed it to put it on my transdo rifle i made him. So they ADK's will just cycle to newer weapons or if that guy changes professions. I had one guy buy a Power Cell Rifle and 2 weeks later he switced to Pistoleer and needed a Power Cell Pistol.
ADK do allow us to make a larger profit on some weapons. But i agree with you , if someone has there weapon of choice with an ADK they wont be buying new guns every week. But when a newer weapons gets introduced they will be looking me up to make them another elite weapon.
Gunga000 wrote:
Yes, there is not a huge difference between making a rifle using 180 Krayt Tissue and 180 Damage Power Cells (Except the SAC Help). The powercells really only have given me an edge in lowering the speed more than with krayt tissues since i spend less exp pts on SAC with powercells.
However the best application for Power Cells would be Pistols since there SAC cap is 65. There its very difficult to CAP both the SAC and Damage even with high end powercells.
And your right , with the CAPS in place , sooner or later everyone will be making the same high end weapons and you will lose your uniqueness as a top level WS. However, the new loot has been around for awhile (trando rifles, power cells, reinforced cassings) and there are only a handful of WS on my server taking full advantage of them. Alot of WS don't want to put in the time to really make elite weapons. Top end WS on my server are decreasing so i don't see my business being affected too much.
Your right about the new cells causing the destroy old weapon..
Look at trade boards there are tons of trading my adk's "past uber weapon" for 1 million + ADK
Translation: I just got a new better weapon I want to adk.
Anarchicgorilla wrote:
Your right about the new cells causing the destroy old weapon..
Look at trade boards there are tons of trading my adk's "past uber weapon" for 1 million + ADK
Translation: I just got a new better weapon I want to adk.
The main point I am trying to make is the new cells are good... and it would be even better if Trials of Obi brings new loot or ups the caps just a little.
Some weaponsmiths seem to hate the "new better" idea. (likely cause they have million invested in krayt / gorax)
But for the profession itself... everytime something better comes to the table will only create more sale oppertunities.
Imagine if soe said "nothing will get better" all you would see is everyone trying to get adk's.
But if the best improves every 6 months or so... business will stay good
there is no point in buying a new one once you have a unsliced adk'ed tripple cap beast.
im all for rising the caps for a lil tho to spread the good from the not so good WS again- that was always the fun part of our prof, getting looked inside our house just to crank out the one more dmg point on your new schematic.
we saw how the game was improved WS wise. kashyyk, nifty loot weapons. not crafable however - then cells. making kratys nearly obsolete... and caps, urgh, caps.
Anarchicgorilla wrote:
Your right about the new cells causing the destroy old weapon..
Look at trade boards there are tons of trading my adk's "past uber weapon" for 1 million + ADK
Translation: I just got a new better weapon I want to adk.
The main point I am trying to make is the new cells are good... and it would be even better if Trials of Obi brings new loot or ups the caps just a little.
Some weaponsmiths seem to hate the "new better" idea. (likely cause they have million invested in krayt / gorax)
But for the profession itself... everytime something better comes to the table will only create more sale oppertunities.
Imagine if soe said "nothing will get better" all you would see is everyone trying to get adk's.
But if the best improves every 6 months or so... business will stay good
I'm afraid that won't happen...hopeful...but afraid.
The "new better"...BTW, I believe the proper terms are,"Old and Busted...New Hottness"
...you're right there... I do have ridiculous stacks of (now) unuseable Krayt/gorax. I used to throw these extra enhancers into Low level weapons to cater to the crafters, but alas, with caps, no more.
As far as the best improving every 6 mos....there's still those darn caps.