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Message Edited by Komeu-Jr on 09-14-2005 04:55 PM

How are you experimenting on your sub-components? For a low SAC weapon, you'll want to experiment on SAC on all your sub-components.

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Komeu-Jr wrote:

1) I am failry new at building weapons so please be considerate

2) I am Only 10pt atm but may be able to borrow a 12 point suit

3) I have managed to assemble pretty good resoruces for the Featherweight build, four are the best ever, and others within 3% of best ever based on apprpropriate experimental stats.

4) I only have 2 re-enforced casings left for my feed mechanism enhancement: 172 damage, -0.77 speed and -7 SAC

5) Since I only have 2 casings I cannot make any mistakes.

6) My objective is to make the best weapon i can with my limited resources. In particular to produce a low SAC <80 with best damage I can get.

I attempted one build (with 10pts experimentation) and got the following results;

Speed: 2.05

Accuracy Bonus: 8

Wound: 13.8 (Capped - I kept getting capped messages during build experimentation)

Min: 355

Max: 931

Base DPS: 313.68

SAC: 105

I was very disappointed with the SAC and not sure how to get it down, and I dont have the qty of resources to keep experimenting. Can anyone give me some guidelines.

Thanks

Frosti-Snr

Master Weaponsmih/Smuggler - Chimaera

Message Edited by Komeu-Jr on 09-14-2005 04:55 PM

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Ok here is what you do.. With -8's you can get 65 SAC with a 5pt Amazing Success (or 67 with greats) you are just 1 off of that.

Barrel
get SAC at least to -6, rest in speed
Scope, look for a pre-cu scope or craft one with ALL accuracy rest in speed
Casing, ALL SAC down to -17 SAC (should be if you have good resources and are resource buffed)

Experiment, put at least 5 on SAC and the rest in dMG and you'll have a 68-69 SAC gun with decent dmg and speed. If you are lucky you might get 66 or even 65 with amazings.

Bespine port, drink for each ExP, with my suit I do 5 SAC with one try on each build, if I get amazing i put the rest to DGM with one more drink.

Also use an advanced scope or see if a WS will sell you one. And by how low your dmg is it looks like you are using a standard barrel also. This will keep your SAC way high and dmg low.

Message Edited by CorenLanra on 09-14-2005 07:34 PM

I dont agree with the above poster at all.

Your barrels, are they pre-cu? (20/53 -2.0ish -6)

If not you want to spend some time making something with around (20/46 -0.58 -6/7) Screw the speed you can slice for speed, but the slicing damage cap is lower than crafted cap on FWG5. Dont get frustrated if you dont get close in the first 5 attempts. I spent an hour making about 40 barrels for a carb for one of my toons, I got 10/12 amazings on it.

You cant slice for SAC. End of story. Screw the speed.

Aim to get your feeder to as close as possible to (18-20/220-224 -1.3ish -17) You want to make sure that caps out 966 Max with room to spare.

Dump the rest in SAC.
You wont get to 65 SAC but after about 75 its a non-issue anyway.

I have half a dozen made this way.
369-966
1.9
73 SAC
340 BDPS unsliced

No speed was ever experimented on, with the Gen ranged speed/pistol speed mods applied by a customer who's pistol centric their speed will be past the point of noticable.

Check your combat logs..nobody ever hits faster than once per 2 seconds anyway.

Get that 12pt suit and use it.
Find a Research City.
Use a crafting droid.
Use Bespin Port.

As for scopes, try to get some with 58+, even though I dont think its working it cant hurt. Failing that there should be a WS on your server that will give you a couple +16/17 acc scopes very cheaply. Pre-cu dont have speed penalties. BH scopes have speed bonuses.

Message Edited by Carthax on 09-15-2005 03:31 AM

one more thing...final experimentation

Do damage first.

It's better to have a maxed damage with slightly higher SAC than it is to have a low SAC sub-par damage weapon.

Which would you buy?

330-900
65 SAC

or

390-966
73 SAC

Droids have a crafting station rating of +45.0
(or so I'm led to believe)

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Carthax wrote:
Droids have a crafting station rating of +45.0
(or so I'm led to believe)

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Is this true?

I understood it that when a droid was used the quality of the crafting station was not considered...neither good nor bad. So it didn't hurt you, but if you had a high quality one at home, it was better to use the high quality station, as it would help the experimentation rolls.

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Carthax wrote:
one more thing...final experimentation

Do damage first.

It's better to have a maxed damage with slightly higher SAC than it is to have a low SAC sub-par damage weapon.

Which would you buy?

330-900
65 SAC

or

390-966
73 SAC

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There is no way 8 SAC will translate into a 66 max damage gain. Sorry just not possible.

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CorenLanra wrote:

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Carthax wrote:
one more thing...final experimentation

Do damage first.

It's better to have a maxed damage with slightly higher SAC than it is to have a low SAC sub-par damage weapon.

Which would you buy?

330-900
65 SAC

or

390-966
73 SAC

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There is no way 8 SAC will translate into a 66 max damage gain. Sorry just not possible.

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correct at least for my server it's not that easy to get to 66 sac on a pistol.