Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: 12 point WS (what you need to know)
Giamai wrote:
while i can see that you don't really "need" 12 point for experimentation purposes generally i would say you dodefinitely wantit for a couple of other reasons:
one is advertising value, people will ask if i'm 12 point even if they just want standard weapons which is sad for me since i'm not
two is having those extra couple of points does make some difference. yes i can max out the damage line but range and condition are both looked at by buyers of specific weapons, in particular range for grenades (for accuracy) and rifles. and condition has become important lately since weapons are decaying at a faster rate. i have to have the condition above 900 at least, over 1000 is better and using any enhancements of any kind brings that stat down.
anyways, just my 2 credits
ya I agree that the extra 2 points are helpful they just arn't too necessary. My sales are slightly dropping but its just normal to me. What I found myself doing is creating a set of scythes for the person free in exchange for the 2nd use of the schematic as I please. That way you don't have to pay me the 75k per scythe price. Always make sure that the customer can get the 2 scythes per use deal
Trean wrote:You answered the question in the second sentence, and then went on and on. Its blunt and to the point, you want the best weapons on your server?1) Collect resources2) Repeat step #1In no way will this process ever involve, 3) earn money to buy +20 worth of weaponsmith experimentation tapes. Now once the combat upgrade hits, heaven forbid, buffs will be nerfed and armor, and animals pumped up. So all those secondary stats that you don't really get to experiment on at the moment will become more important so your weapons of a 10pt'er may became of less ilk than the best of the best.
Wouldn't that be par for the course if they brought animals back to what they were before they make them weak....lol They reduced the animals in preparation for the "combat balance" in the long, long ago. Too bad too...dantooine used to be dangerous with medium armor voritors n' the such...not to mention the medium armor rancs on dathomir, and the nightsister stalkers that would 1-shot you with rifle specials through armor...
On the purpose of this thread though, I'm at 11 points and working on 12 both for the marketing aspect and to have the best weapons possible. I have my power hammers at -20 range>1k condition now, but I want that extra range on the reinforcement cores to get them better. Same with everything else... I have the best resources, and I could pump out very good weapons all day long...but I want the best.
I just wish that people wouldn't rob me blind for trying to make them better weapons and force me to charge more to recoup expenses... 
I also find it generally annoying when other 12 point smiths bid up tapes with their huge bankrolls on the trade forums... Basically, there is no right or wrong answer. It's all a matter of what it's worth to you.
Augger wrote:
I dunno folks ... I am rather proud of my Tenloss rifles that I can put Yellow Cubes into, and still get 4 digit conditions on.
I'll take my 12pts and use them to the fullest.
How do you do that? I use "the best" resources and still only get just over 600 condition if I don't throw a few points into it. Do you sacrifice damage for them?
OrionSeven wrote:
as long as people ask "Are you a 12pt smith?", 12pts are going to be necessary.
The only time 12pts is optional, is if you're not planning on making any money from weapon orders.
I couldn't disagree more. I was averaging a million credits a day in sales as a ten point and to be honest, I haven't seen a noticeable increase in sales since adding the extra points. First of all, most people that visit my vendor don't know whether I am 10 or 12 points. What they do find out when they get there is that I have over 1000 sliced weapons stocked on my vendor plus grenades, powerups, Special/Enhanced weapons, etc. As a ten point smith most of my weapons compared favorably with those of 12 point smiths and there were even a couple 12 point smiths whose speed/dmg was less than mine.
As a ten point smith I sold a Nyms VK (223 dmg) for 2 million, a Scythe for 2 million (439 dmg), and a DE-10 for 7.5 million unsliced just to give a couple examples. All of these items sold at auction, so it was the buyers who determined the prices. So what if someone doesn't want you to make their krayt weapons? If your resources are good enough to enable you to be competitive with the best (not necessarily as good as, but you've got to at least be close) then go get yourself some krayt tissues and start crafting away and if you are a gambler like me go ahead and slice them and you'll do fine. Or go loot some nyms motors and make a bunch of vk's and slice them up and sell the best for good credits. If you are selling 220+ dmg vk's, no one is going to turn their nose up at it just because the range is not quite as good as it can get or condition is not as high as it can go. Anyone who complains that being a ten point smith keeps you out of the enhanced weapons biz, let alone standard weapons, is just being short-sighted.
On the other hand, if your resources are not up to par, it really doesn't matter how many points you have, your weapons are going to be subpar. If you are diligent about monitoring new spawns, then within three months you should have everything you need. By six months you'll be able to upgrade most of what you have and should be pretty competitive with most weaponsmiths. If on the other hand you don't monitor and evaluate each new spawnor don't have the credits to buy those resources if you dont' have the time/inclination to mine, then you are just dabbling and you are never going to be competitive.
If you are playing resource catch up but don't have the credits to buy big stacks of resources you need to get going, see if the seller will cut some smaller stacks for you. If you don't have good handler resources, then build hammers and vk's or grenades and generate some cash and plow your earnings into buying the resources you need. I sold powerups to get started and while it didn't make me rich, it did help me buy some of the older resources I needed to get started.
Message Edited by Hurlobacca on 12-05-2004 05:01 AM