Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: Divisions In Smithing
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Robren911
Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:09 am
#1
Being a Master Smith for only a few short weeks and still learning the trade, I've encoountered 2 types of Smiths. The first and which I aspire to be are the type that share information. See smithing as a fellowship. Since no single smith can supply his entire server of weaponry, working together, posting information and sharing ideas is the way they interact with other smiths.
The second type are those folks who treat it privately as if the resources they are using to trim 1/10 a second of their weapon speed are only available to them and won't ever be replicated by another smith. This is a bit confusing considering we are all bound by the same resource quality limitations.
I will say a majority fo the Smiths fall directly into the first group mentioned and that's very reassuring. And to those folks I'd like to say thanks for being such a great and endless wealth of information to those learning the trade. I aspire to reach that level of knowledge.
And to the other guys, well pssst Everyone has access to the resources you're using. You're not building the atomic bomb and you can't possibly supply your entire server. Given the option most people won't wait if your out of weapons any way. They want instant gratification so they find the next best thing. You help the communtiy as a whole by sharing your recipes.
samijx
Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:28 am
#2
Well my friend...it's just a little thing called competition. In my case, I'm a third type of WS. I make weapons for myself and occasionally for a friend. I have a vendor that I sell just a handfull of weapons. I used to have a shop and It supported my weaponsmithing habbit, but these days, I just don't have the desire to supply lots of weapons....so I just make a few for myself. I do agree with you that some people get rather smug and don't helpout noobs.....but that attitude is not limited to the weaponsmith profession. 
Orew
Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:00 am
#3
When you have general questions come here on the forums... there are plenty of people eager to help. Not to mention that most questions were probably asked and answered already. 
As for resources, why ask others? Maybe they will tell you what they use but you can't be sure that they are using the best. If you really want to know the best resource ever spawned in a category on your server go to swgcraft. Compare that with what you have and decide whether you need to use one of the vet. reward crates... And remember to keep a few crates for after the CU!
untochableT
Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:00 am
#4
I spent two weeks hitting up every single resource vendor I could find on eclipse (both on planetary map, and not) to get the resources I have now 
HAWKE61
Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:54 pm
#5
I too believe i am the first type....i have helped many smiths in my almost two years of making weapons
HAWKE ENTERPRISES
HAUKER'S WEAPONRY & MUNITIONS
:HAWKE: ARMOR
UTILIZING 12 PTS OF EXPERIMENTATION
IN BOTH WEAPONS AND ARMOR (R.I.S. CERTIFIED)
SHADOWFIRE, 1 W. MAIN BRENN, NABOO
SHADOWFIRE,IN LEONESS, DANTOOINE
JUST OFF THE SHUTTLE
FINE RESOURCES, OLD & NEW
ATTACHMENTS AND LOOT
HIGH QUALITY STIM B'S &E'S LOW MED USE
SPECIAL ORDERS ACCEPTED WITH PLEASURE
RWC
Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:50 pm
#6
samijx wrote:Well my friend...it's just a little thing called competition. In my case, I'm a third type of WS. I make weapons for myself and occasionally for a friend. I have a vendor that I sell just a handfull of weapons. I used to have a shop and It supported my weaponsmithing habbit, but these days, I just don't have the desire to supply lots of weapons....so I just make a few for myself. I do agree with you that some people get rather smug and don't help out noobs.....but that attitude is not limited to the weaponsmith profession.
Thats me aswell, I thought I was the only one. I have 1 fairly well stocked vendor, I sell 4 or 5 normal weapons a day. I have alot of respect for people who run it like a serious business and make millions a day but I enjoy it the way I do it, I did enough business in college, if I wanted to run a business I would do it in the real world, I play to have fun and get away from real life.
But back to the topic, I will always stop what Im doing to help someone whether its a question, help in a fight or help on these forums.
giffordgekko
Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:12 pm
#7
i get tells asking for resources all the time cos i actually thought about ws before i decided to grind it unlike most of the people i know (ooh today i will be a ws and make loads of money), im happy to give resources to my guild m8s but not others, why should i help the enemy, might aswell give them my flipping money, i just find it tiresome people asking do u have this resource? well yes im a ws why wouldnt i have it
Abbell
Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:41 am
#8
well I like to believe most of the smiths here are of the first type. You can email me on Ahazi anytime you like for free advice.
ZeticWest
Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:27 am
#9
Hey ...Im with you Rob. Join CRN and lets share info! Check my sig for more info.
TekKellatt
Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:09 am
#10
samijx wrote:
Well my friend...it's just a little thing called competition.
Competition for what? Don't get me wrong, I mean I aspire to be the best and I want to have the best stats I can, but sharing info isn't going to make most people that haven't been doing it for as long as I have raise their stats enough to beat my guns. Thats not being cocky, its just that resources pretty much make the smith. A lot of these guys haven't amassed the resources I have yet. As for the competition thing, really if I give pointers to someone and they are able to match my stuff, thats awesome, but I'm probably not going to lose out on customers because of it. There are plenty of people buying weapons that there is enough business to go around and you'd probably be surprised at the loyalty of a lot of your customers. I have guys that have been buying from me for almost 2 years. But as for sharing info, anytime any other WS or non WS has a question I am more than willing to help out. I think itsbetter to be helpful or a mentor to someone than be secretive about it. They may learn something or have a resource you might need later on, why not encourage something like that? Heck I'll even bump posts by my fellow smiths in the auction forums. You also have to think that you or they may not end up keeping the profession. You could end up buying from them or they from you one day. (Not in my case, I didn't master the FS grind because I wanted to give up WS 
) If you foster a friendly relationship and they decide to one day give it up, they could very well send their customers your way.
I should add that, I don't mind if another smith asks to buy 1-5k of a resource I have as long as I have a significant supply of it. But, I harvest as much as I do so I don't run out.
Message Edited by TekKellatt on 04-10-2005 06:12 AM
Mor-Dan
Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:34 pm
#11
we used to do it all the time in our trade forum. what it really comes down to is patience, and competition can fuel that. do we all have access tot he same resources? well, with the addition of the 30k resource kits, yes we do. but, do we all have access to the same level of patience? that is a big, fat no. patience is how long are you willing to sit there trying to get all amazing successes to get the best possible results out of your schem? it's one reasno i can charge more than most smiths and still sell out faster than them. they know i am taking a little more time out to make the best possible weapon, and not just an average one that any schmoe who puts on the suit and picks up the resources can do.
happyheadhunter
Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:03 pm
#12
The people that help another out should get some respect. I became a WS on Scylla because some scum bag WS tried to take me for all I was worth. He gave me a big attitude, and said "you're a deal breaker" 'cause I wouldn't fall for his crap. Now I give weapons away all the time, I share info to anyone who asks (but ahh...get yer own damn resources ). So here's to you that help out. And to you that hoard all the little pointers...watch out, you may piss somebody off enough to surpass you and steal all the buisness they can.
). So here's to you that help out. And to you that hoard all the little pointers...watch out, you may piss somebody off enough to surpass you and steal all the buisness they can. Message Edited by happyheadhunter on 04-10-2005 06:04 PM
Zandergeef
Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:21 am
#13
I know what you mean. I fall into the first group and am more than willing to help out new weaponsmiths if they ask me questions and talk with a few of the other good weaponsmiths on the server and we try to help one another out by tipping off the other person to new spawns that might add a few points here or there to our weapons.
I am sure you will be able to find other master weaponsmiths who are more than willing to help you out and share info.
I do know there are some weaponsmiths who are secretive and what not, I know I might sometimes come off a little like that if someone sends me a tell asking me for resources. I dont mind sellin some of my resources if they only want like 1-5k and I have over 200k or so of the stuff. I know thugh that there have been times that people ask me for something and I only have like 80k of it and its really rare stuff so I tell them that I dont have much of it. I am not trying to be stingy and secritive its just that I dont want to be stuck myself with making subpar stuff and I dont mine in the amounts that some people do since most of my lots are taken up for storage and factories and I have to buy most of my resources from miners who sell for like 5cpu(while its still in the ground).
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