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Thread: power handler math
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Xieflow
Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:32 pm
#1
Please tell me if this math seems sound. I posted this in another thread, but I doubt many people will see it, and wanted to make sure I got everything down right.
1. Requires 10 units of Polymer
2. Requires 5 units of Diatium Copper
3. Requires 5 units of Ostrine Carbonate Ore
4. Requires 8 units of Phrik Aluminum
5. Requires 16 units of Irolunn Reactive Gas
44 resources. Only 13 units have Conductivity.
Now, it's 66 / 33 (CO / OQ), and because 44 units have OQ, and only 13 units have CO, then the CO is worth a LOT more.
for the Diatum Copper, that 5 units count for 38% of the Conductivity. So, those 5 units count for 25% of the "total quality" of the weapon.
Here's how it breaks down:
1 unit of anything is worth 0.75% of the total result
OQ
Polymer : 10 / 44 : 7.5% of total PH Quality
Copper : 5 / 44 : 3.75% of total PH Quality
Ore : 5 / 44 : 3.75% of total PH Quality
Aluminum : 8 / 44 : 6% of total PH Quality
Gas : 16 / 44 : 12% of total PH Quality
1 unit of anything in the PH with CO is worth 5.07% of the total result
CO
Copper : 5 / 13 : 25.38% of total PH Quality
Aluminum : 8 / 13 : 40.62% of total PH Quality
(Due to rounding the total comes out to 99%)
So, now we'll go with how much 1 point of OQ is worth versus 1 point of CO on the copper, and the alum
Copper : 25.38% for CO : 1000 CO == perfect : 0.02538% increase per point of CO
Aluminum : 40.62% for CO : 1000 CO == perfect : 0.04062% increase per point of CO
and, for OQ
Polymer : 7.5% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.0075% increase per point of OQ
Copper : 3.75% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.00375% increase per point of OQ
Ore : 3.75% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.00375% increase per point of OQ
Aluminum : 6% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.006% increase per point of OQ
Gas : 12% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.012% increase per point of OQ
now, we'll take the two resources listed:
Asevate CD 713 OQ 866
Iesewi CD 768 OQ 753
Asevate: + 18.09594% for CO, + 3.2475% for OQ
Iesewi: + 19.49184 for CO, +2.82375 for OQ
Asevate : 21% increase
Iesewi : 22% increase
KABLAM, the Iesewi will increase you by 1%, which has a chance to round you up 1 point on damage!
1. Requires 10 units of Polymer
2. Requires 5 units of Diatium Copper
3. Requires 5 units of Ostrine Carbonate Ore
4. Requires 8 units of Phrik Aluminum
5. Requires 16 units of Irolunn Reactive Gas
44 resources. Only 13 units have Conductivity.
Now, it's 66 / 33 (CO / OQ), and because 44 units have OQ, and only 13 units have CO, then the CO is worth a LOT more.
for the Diatum Copper, that 5 units count for 38% of the Conductivity. So, those 5 units count for 25% of the "total quality" of the weapon.
Here's how it breaks down:
1 unit of anything is worth 0.75% of the total result
OQ
Polymer : 10 / 44 : 7.5% of total PH Quality
Copper : 5 / 44 : 3.75% of total PH Quality
Ore : 5 / 44 : 3.75% of total PH Quality
Aluminum : 8 / 44 : 6% of total PH Quality
Gas : 16 / 44 : 12% of total PH Quality
1 unit of anything in the PH with CO is worth 5.07% of the total result
CO
Copper : 5 / 13 : 25.38% of total PH Quality
Aluminum : 8 / 13 : 40.62% of total PH Quality
(Due to rounding the total comes out to 99%)
So, now we'll go with how much 1 point of OQ is worth versus 1 point of CO on the copper, and the alum
Copper : 25.38% for CO : 1000 CO == perfect : 0.02538% increase per point of CO
Aluminum : 40.62% for CO : 1000 CO == perfect : 0.04062% increase per point of CO
and, for OQ
Polymer : 7.5% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.0075% increase per point of OQ
Copper : 3.75% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.00375% increase per point of OQ
Ore : 3.75% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.00375% increase per point of OQ
Aluminum : 6% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.006% increase per point of OQ
Gas : 12% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.012% increase per point of OQ
now, we'll take the two resources listed:
Asevate CD 713 OQ 866
Iesewi CD 768 OQ 753
Asevate: + 18.09594% for CO, + 3.2475% for OQ
Iesewi: + 19.49184 for CO, +2.82375 for OQ
Asevate : 21% increase
Iesewi : 22% increase
KABLAM, the Iesewi will increase you by 1%, which has a chance to round you up 1 point on damage!
d0qtrX
Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:09 am
#2
Your math, while insane
, seems correct, as my findings in the game world reflect this exactly.
My handlers have 1 more point in min damage using the iesewi copper, despite the fact that it would appear on the surface that the Asevate would be better. All other resources were identical. I ran four of each and always got the following numbers:
Iesewi 19-37 -0.37
Asevate 18-37 -0.37
It sure would be nice if SOE would document the formulas used in the game-- but that would require that they actually KNOW them-- which I doubt.
SchakaRuu
Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:54 am
#3
ok the math is correct. I agree with it there for sure. Try Kidiaan Phrik Aluminum instead of the Durenciate Phrik.
Th3J03
Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:19 pm
#4
So when comparing the CO/OQ stats on the metals for APHs, a 87/13 weighting is more accurate than a 66/33?
FilanVader
Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:01 am
#5
im sure SOE knows the formulas exactly, but like Everquest they dont like to let too much out.
GwieF
Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:47 am
#6
interesting / I'd never really bothered to work that out
so lets see for ABRB
66% CD 33% SR
85 units have conductivity
93 units units in total so:
((0.66 * 85 / ((0.66 * 85) + (0.33 * 93)) * 100 = 68.36%
so 68.4% conductivity
and 31.6% Shock resist
assuming my math is correct
not vastly off the quoted 66% but interesting ot have the true values
so lets see for ABRB
66% CD 33% SR
85 units have conductivity
93 units units in total so:
((0.66 * 85 / ((0.66 * 85) + (0.33 * 93)) * 100 = 68.36%
so 68.4% conductivity
and 31.6% Shock resist
assuming my math is correct
not vastly off the quoted 66% but interesting ot have the true values
GwieF
Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:56 am
#7
oops ok completely ignore the equasion I just wrote its totally wrong
thats not how I did it : I think the values I wrote are correct though
thats not how I did it : I think the values I wrote are correct though
evetsleep
Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:00 am
#8
Xieflow wrote:
Please tell me if this math seems sound. I posted this in another thread, but I doubt many people will see it, and wanted to make sure I got everything down right.
1. Requires 10 units of Polymer
2. Requires 5 units of Diatium Copper
3. Requires 5 units of Ostrine Carbonate Ore
4. Requires 8 units of Phrik Aluminum
5. Requires 16 units of Irolunn Reactive Gas
44 resources. Only 13 units have Conductivity.
Now, it's 66 / 33 (CO / OQ), and because 44 units have OQ, and only 13 units have CO, then the CO is worth a LOT more.
for the Diatum Copper, that 5 units count for 38% of the Conductivity. So, those 5 units count for 25% of the "total quality" of the weapon.
Here's how it breaks down:
1 unit of anything is worth 0.75% of the total result
OQ
Polymer : 10 / 44 : 7.5% of total PH Quality
Copper : 5 / 44 : 3.75% of total PH Quality
Ore : 5 / 44 : 3.75% of total PH Quality
Aluminum : 8 / 44 : 6% of total PH Quality
Gas : 16 / 44 : 12% of total PH Quality
1 unit of anything in the PH with CO is worth 5.07% of the total result
CO
Copper : 5 / 13 : 25.38% of total PH Quality
Aluminum : 8 / 13 : 40.62% of total PH Quality
(Due to rounding the total comes out to 99%)
So, now we'll go with how much 1 point of OQ is worth versus 1 point of CO on the copper, and the alum
Copper : 25.38% for CO : 1000 CO == perfect : 0.02538% increase per point of CO
Aluminum : 40.62% for CO : 1000 CO == perfect : 0.04062% increase per point of CO
and, for OQ
Polymer : 7.5% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.0075% increase per point of OQ
Copper : 3.75% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.00375% increase per point of OQ
Ore : 3.75% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.00375% increase per point of OQ
Aluminum : 6% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.006% increase per point of OQ
Gas : 12% for OQ : 1000 OQ == perfect : 0.012% increase per point of OQ
now, we'll take the two resources listed:
Asevate CD 713 OQ 866
Iesewi CD 768 OQ 753
Asevate: + 18.09594% for CO, + 3.2475% for OQ
Iesewi: + 19.49184 for CO, +2.82375 for OQ
Asevate : 21% increase
Iesewi : 22% increase
KABLAM, the Iesewi will increase you by 1%, which has a chance to round you up 1 point on damage!
While I am reading this I am reminded why I hate math. Excellent job X.
d0qtrX
Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:42 am
#9
All that schooling in math just so you could use it in a video game 
My teachers would be proud....
LLJK_Griz
Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:45 pm
#10
Th3J03 wrote:
So when comparing the CO/OQ stats on the metals for APHs, a 87/13 weighting is more accurate than a 66/33?
that sounds about right, someone did a lot of spreadsheet calculations a long time ago and figured it was roughly 90/10 con/oq on ABPH
Tiolel
Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:53 pm
#11
Wow, that's quite impressive... and it seems quite accurate as well.
Nice job.
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