Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: weapon experimentation
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Nearro
Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:47 pm
#27
Calculating DPS is an interesting formula, to say the least....or rather, a couple different formulas:
Key:
DMax: Max Damage
DMin: Min Damage
ADmg: Average Damage
ADmg = ((DMax - DMin) / 2)
DPS vs Shields:
ADmg * DvsShield * (1 / Refire) = DPS
DPS vs Armor:
ADmg * DvsArmor * (1 / Refire) = DPS
DPS vs Ship:
(DPSvsArmor + DPSvsShield) / 2 = DPS
So for the example given:
DMax: 3092
DMin: 1909
ADmg: 2500.5
Refire: 0.256 (Need to actually round that one, the game does) = 0.26
vsShield: 0.499
vsArmor: 0.499
Using those you get:
DPSvsArmor: (2500.5 * 0.499 * (1 / 0.26)) = 4799.037
DPSvsShield: (2500.5 * 0.499 * (1 / 0.26)) = 4799.037
DPSvsShip: 4799.037
Using all that, I decided to run a little test, since I was in-game crafting anyways. Results are:
Level 9 QuickFire Ion Cannon:
DMax: 3101.1
DMin: 1914.6
ADmg: 2507.85
Refire: 0.253 (0.25)
vsShield: 0.725
vsArmor: 0.241
Using those you get:
DPSvsArmor: 2417.5674
DPSvsShield: 7272.765
DPSvsShip: 4845.1662
Versus:
Level 9 Max Damage Ion Cannon: (Capped max damage, then went for min damage on extra points)
DMax: 3769.1
DMin: 1832.4
ADmg: 2800.75
Refire: 0.352 (0.35)
vsShield: 0.725
vsArmor: 0.241
Using those you get:
DPSvsArmor: 1928.516
DPSvsShield: 5801.554
DPSvsShip: 3865.035
As you can see, while that max damage number looks really nice on the 2nd one, it's DPSvsShip is almost 1000 less per second. That, to me, is a ton of damage. Sure, that first one's damage numbers don't look all that hot, but when you get down to seeing that 0.25 refire rate and realize it's going to fire a full 10% faster, it more then makes up for it.
In the end, it's based on what the customer wants. If it's a custom job, you gotta make it to what they want, but educate them if you think something else might work better. If it's for generic sale, remember that 75-80% of the pilots want to see that huge max damage number, and you don't want to have to sit there all day trying to convince them it's not the better gun.
Key:
DMax: Max Damage
DMin: Min Damage
ADmg: Average Damage
ADmg = ((DMax - DMin) / 2)
DPS vs Shields:
ADmg * DvsShield * (1 / Refire) = DPS
DPS vs Armor:
ADmg * DvsArmor * (1 / Refire) = DPS
DPS vs Ship:
(DPSvsArmor + DPSvsShield) / 2 = DPS
So for the example given:
DMax: 3092
DMin: 1909
ADmg: 2500.5
Refire: 0.256 (Need to actually round that one, the game does) = 0.26
vsShield: 0.499
vsArmor: 0.499
Using those you get:
DPSvsArmor: (2500.5 * 0.499 * (1 / 0.26)) = 4799.037
DPSvsShield: (2500.5 * 0.499 * (1 / 0.26)) = 4799.037
DPSvsShip: 4799.037
Using all that, I decided to run a little test, since I was in-game crafting anyways. Results are:
Level 9 QuickFire Ion Cannon:
DMax: 3101.1
DMin: 1914.6
ADmg: 2507.85
Refire: 0.253 (0.25)
vsShield: 0.725
vsArmor: 0.241
Using those you get:
DPSvsArmor: 2417.5674
DPSvsShield: 7272.765
DPSvsShip: 4845.1662
Versus:
Level 9 Max Damage Ion Cannon: (Capped max damage, then went for min damage on extra points)
DMax: 3769.1
DMin: 1832.4
ADmg: 2800.75
Refire: 0.352 (0.35)
vsShield: 0.725
vsArmor: 0.241
Using those you get:
DPSvsArmor: 1928.516
DPSvsShield: 5801.554
DPSvsShip: 3865.035
As you can see, while that max damage number looks really nice on the 2nd one, it's DPSvsShip is almost 1000 less per second. That, to me, is a ton of damage. Sure, that first one's damage numbers don't look all that hot, but when you get down to seeing that 0.25 refire rate and realize it's going to fire a full 10% faster, it more then makes up for it.
In the end, it's based on what the customer wants. If it's a custom job, you gotta make it to what they want, but educate them if you think something else might work better. If it's for generic sale, remember that 75-80% of the pilots want to see that huge max damage number, and you don't want to have to sit there all day trying to convince them it's not the better gun.
Morathai
Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:52 pm
#28
When crafting for my own ship i go with something along these lines.
1 ion cannon quick shot. lvl7
exp to around .290-.300 refire
rest split evenly into min max damg
1 disruptor quick shot lvl7
same stats.
1 heavy battery cap lvl5
exp to around 1000 energy or so
rest into recharge
running weapons overload 3 and cap overload 3 youll never run out fo energy. Youll do really good damge and have plenty of energy to do a cap shield shunt.
With the ships available for most proffesions at grind levels this is nice. Its when you run into one gun toting imps that you may look into more damage.
but from what ive found exp on shield/armor eff is futile and seemingly a waste on points. Mass reactor drain and energy per shot is not a huge concern unless your dealing with uneducated customers.
It is alarming how many people make it to tier4 piloting without learning how to loadout a ship to fit mass constraints. Those same people usualy have little idea of the benefits of droid programs. I allmost stopped taking orders completely now since im tired of explaining the finer points all the time. Maybe ill just work up a email to send to all potential customers explaining the process.
The last order i had was for a guy using a jsf and wanting two blasters lvl7 and 5. he didnt have enough mass to fit two lvl 7's and i just shook my head because i had just landed my jsf that has 2 lvl7 guns and two armor pieces. With a reactor capable of running eo3 wo3 co3 and just shy 1900 f/b shields.
ConvertibleArbitrage
Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:24 am
#29
Does anyone know is weapon experimentation mods grant any bonus to lightsabre crafting? I know there are lightsabre experimentation mods, but as we get a weaponsmith buff and use a weapon crafting station I don't know the actual position. The people i asked in game give conflicting answers, so could someone clear this up for me?
Thanks
Thanks
santoro
Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:29 am
#31
So you're saying you could stack weaponsmith experimentation, lightsaber experimentation, crafting food and drink, weaponsmith dancer buff and the research city bonus? Dang.
Phenix1050
Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:34 am
#32
no. weaponsmith exp. points do not help. But Jedi can get a the same BUFF as a weaponsmith, and apply it to LS crafting.
So you can stack LS experimentation, crafting food + drink, and weaponsmith buffs with research city bonus.
TheCapn2000
Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:36 am
#33
Phenix1050 wrote:
no. weaponsmith exp. points do not help. But Jedi can get a the same BUFF as a weaponsmith, and apply it to LS crafting.
So you can stack LS experimentation, crafting food + drink, and weaponsmith buffs with research city bonus.
you can get the weaponsmith buff...however its debatable if it actually works...my experiences shows that it does not...
santoro
Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:42 am
#34
I have a CA that has +12 2-Handed LS Speed and +7 Weapon Experimentation in it, it'd be so nice to have this work, but most likely um, unbalanced.
I did snag one that was +15 1-Handed LS and +4 Lightsaber Experimentation, woohoo.
I did snag one that was +15 1-Handed LS and +4 Lightsaber Experimentation, woohoo.
Beasthunt
Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:12 am
#36
santoro wrote:
I have a CA that has +12 2-Handed LS Speed and +7 Weapon Experimentation in it, it'd be so nice to have this work, but most likely um, unbalanced.
I did snag one that was +15 1-Handed LS and +4 Lightsaber Experimentation, woohoo.
You blessed son of a gun.......
I get terrain negotiation and clothing exp ca's. Like they are going out of style. Never once gotten a saber ca yet. It's almost made me want to hit the cancel button......bah it's frustrating, specially when loot hunting is all I like to do.
TheCapn2000
Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:18 am
#37
Beasthunt wrote:
santoro wrote:
I have a CA that has +12 2-Handed LS Speed and +7 Weapon Experimentation in it, it'd be so nice to have this work, but most likely um, unbalanced.
I did snag one that was +15 1-Handed LS and +4 Lightsaber Experimentation, woohoo.
You blessed son of a gun.......
I get terrain negotiation and clothing exp ca's. Like they are going out of style. Never once gotten a saber ca yet. It's almost made me want to hit the cancel button......bah it's frustrating, specially when loot hunting is all I like to do.
I get grenade assembly CAs...8|......LOL
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