Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: ADK Changes in last patch?
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TheLemming
Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:50 am
#14
Eclipse442 wrote:I'm no Jedi, just passing on info!
No, your accusation was made to bring about posts like this:
Jedi complain once they get it.
Any other proffession...............US for example, we complain about something it takes months to fix it. Remember the Berserker rifle?? OR has anyone heard of Squad Leader.
It is just this kind of treatment that led me to cancelling my accounts til the combat upgrade.
JEDI = DEATH of SWG
This has nothing to do with jedi. Sabers do not decay, pearl stats do not change as they decay. Anti-decay kit will not repair the pearls placed in that saber. Don't go posting inflammatory crap that you seem to have made up and say that you're passing on info.
Eclipse442
Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:28 pm
#16
Here are two posts complaining about PSG's and the ADK issue.
While I cannot find my initial source on complaints having to do with pearl decay, the first post deals with complaints about pearls no longer dropping. (If you feel so inclined, please take the time to sift through about the last 15 pages of the Intrepid General forums, you will find my origional reference there.) I take this as a complaint directly relevent to the arrival of the ADK's. Calling me a child doesn't hurt me at all, however blaming other people's posts on me does. I personally do not like Jedi, they are a self-sufficient credit-sink of the community. They make money and rarely put money back into it as a whole. (ie. Armor, weapons, SEA's, loot). I know many Jedis and I have helped many reach Initiate by providing millions of credits worth of Thermals at 40k per crate. Dont call me greedy either because we all know that 40k a crate barely comes out in black when you compare it to factory and resource cost, not to mention my time. It is a general fact that I could very easily backup, that when Jedi complain, it gets fixed faster than any other profession. They get patches and new released pertaining to FRS and GCW, but if we unpack a stock from a crate into a schematic, it doesn't show. I hardly see why Jedi are more important as us, and personally that generates a slight amount of animosity from me towards them. I really dont with to continue this argument as it's really not constructive nor has anything to do with the ADK issue involving WS's.
Message Edited by Eclipse442 on 02-26-2005 07:33 PM
SlaserX
Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:56 pm
#17
I'm still waiting for a post in here from a certain someone *no names mentioned* with some lame excuse how this is making things better and not hurting weaponsmiths in any way at all. 
Eclipse442
Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:57 am
#18
I dont know what your problem is, but this "made up crap" is not made up at all. I dont know where you get off going around flaming for no purpose. I know nothing about sabres, I'll admit that, I'm no Jedi, and even being a MWS I know nothing about the crafting of a sabre. If you do, then I'm sorry, I guess I'm just not as smart as you. As for the other 95% of us who have no Jedi, the full repair then anti-decay is a serious deal, since I wouldn't want my exceptional looted PH with only 100 condition left on it to be underpreforming. You really dont seem to bring anything positive to this thread, while I was trying to help some people out. As far as I'm concerned, this thread can be locked, and you can go #*&$ yourself, and think twice about flaming me over something you seem to have no authority over either.
TheLemming
Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:40 am
#19
Eclipse442 wrote:Here are two posts complaining about PSG's and the ADK issue.While I cannot find my initial source on complaints having to do with pearl decay, the first post deals with complaints about pearls no longer dropping. (If you feel so inclined, please take the time to sift through about the last 15 pages of the Intrepid General forums, you will find my origional reference there.) I take this as a complaint directly relevent to the arrival of the ADK's. Calling me a child doesn't hurt me at all, however blaming other people's posts on me does. I personally do not like Jedi, they are a self-sufficient credit-sink of the community. They make money and rarely put money back into it as a whole. (ie. Armor, weapons, SEA's, loot). I know many Jedis and I have helped many reach Initiate by providing millions of credits worth of Thermals at 40k per crate. Dont call me greedy either because we all know that 40k a crate barely comes out in black when you compare it to factory and resource cost, not to mention my time. It is a general fact that I could very easily backup, that when Jedi complain, it gets fixed faster than any other profession. They get patches and new released pertaining to FRS and GCW, but if we unpack a stock from a crate into a schematic, it doesn't show. I hardly see why Jedi are more important as us, and personally that generates a slight amount of animosity from me towards them. I really dont with to continue this argument as it's really not constructive nor has anything to do with the ADK issue involving WS's.Message Edited by Eclipse442 on 02-26-2005 07:33 PM
rofl...you show posts where jedi complain about ADKs being used on PSGs? First, you never said anything about that in the first post. Second, this just shows that jedi don't get everything they want since that would mean making it so you couldn't ADK PSGs. Third, is it any shock that you couldn't find a post about a jedi putting an ADK on his "beat up" saber since they can't get beat up in the first place?
Just let it go. This change has nothing to do with jedi at all. Trying to blame it on them does fit with your little rant here though. In fact, I'm done with this issue. Just try getting your facts straight first before you blame something on a segment of the community, instead of blaming them for some anger that you hold.
When you come right down to it though, this change doesn't really alter the punchline with ADKs. They were making weapons last forever before, they still are now. A bit more damage on a low condition looted weapon with already high stats isn't really that much stronger of a kick in the teeth that ADKs already were. It does show one thing though...it seems they don't care what these might do to the economy as there are more and more. If they're fix for them is to make them repair condition instead of making them only work on clothes...well...that's just peachy.
Eclipse442
Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:47 am
#20
This will be my last post. I know I didn't post anything defending my first post and I'll give you that. However, I'd like to bring this back to your issues with me, not with ADK vs. Jedi. I posted facts which are correct and directly related to the WS profession. While my statements toward Jedi might not have been correctl, I still have the freedom of speech to blame them all I like, and you cannot deny this. My statement claiming that a weapon is repaired to 'cure' any hinderances with dropped condition affecting damage or speed cannot be combated by anything you have posted, so therefore I still consider myself correct in passing on information. I did not get an anti-decay kit with my 12 month reward, so I would not know otherwise, so please, if you want to flame, base it upon facts and not opinion. Good night to you, I hope that in the future you can make your contributions more constructive, rather than picking apart what other people have posted in order to greater the knowledge of this forum section.
/lock, this post is closed. At least, for me.
Rhuidean
Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:52 am
#21
Not faulting anyone here...just thought i should post the truth.
This is a exact quote from a Jedi Knight in my guild...
"A lightsaber itself never decays, it always keeps its original condition. Only the crystals/pearls inside decay. But in a 1st gen saber with 2 crystal (1collor 1 white) the decay goes a lot fast than a 4th gen saber with 5 crystals (1 collor 4 whites). So if you use the ADK it stops the decay of the pearls inside the saber."
This is a exact quote from a Jedi Knight in my guild...
"A lightsaber itself never decays, it always keeps its original condition. Only the crystals/pearls inside decay. But in a 1st gen saber with 2 crystal (1collor 1 white) the decay goes a lot fast than a 4th gen saber with 5 crystals (1 collor 4 whites). So if you use the ADK it stops the decay of the pearls inside the saber."
jason67
Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:01 am
#22
I'll ignore the Jedi lightsaber questions since they have absolutely no relevant bearing on this thread.
The anti-decay kits bring weapons back up to max condition now, this was put in place to fix a bug that was decaying weapons where ADK kits where installed. The bug had to do with weapons that decayed below the 30% mark which caused it's stats to start dropping the lower it got. Once a weapon reached this point if a pup was put on the weapon then removed or used up it would cause roughly another 5% decay in weapon condition/stats.
If you have a weapon that is currently at 0/0 putting them into an ADK will not bring them back to life. If your weapon is at 500/500 it will not bring it back up to the original 1100 condition or whatever it was. All this fix does is bring a weapon from 100/500 back up to the 500/500 in order to prevent the weapon from continuing to decay with pup usage. They also stated that weapons in which the ADK was already applied would be brought back up to it's CURRENT max condition, preventing weapons from being lost in which the ADK was already applied but where the bug was effecting the weapon.
Once the weapon starts to decay putting an ADK kit on it will NOT bring the weapon back to it's original stats, this will only prevent it from decaying further. Stop reading stuff into these post which are not listed, this is a very simple fix that was put in and you guys are complicating it ten fold. The ONLY thing this specific fix does is bring the current condition back up to the current max condition.
AfeeElandra
Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:13 am
#23
Eclipse442 wrote:
This will be my last post. I know I didn't post anything defending my first post and I'll give you that. However, I'd like to bring this back to your issues with me, not with ADK vs. Jedi. I posted facts which are correct and directly related to the WS profession. While my statements toward Jedi might not have been correctl, I still have the freedom of speech to blame them all I like, and you cannot deny this. My statement claiming that a weapon is repaired to 'cure' any hinderances with dropped condition affecting damage or speed cannot be combated by anything you have posted, so therefore I still consider myself correct in passing on information. I did not get an anti-decay kit with my 12 month reward, so I would not know otherwise, so please, if you want to flame, base it upon facts and not opinion. Good night to you, I hope that in the future you can make your contributions more constructive, rather than picking apart what other people have posted in order to greater the knowledge of this forum section.
/lock, this post is closed. At least, for me.
I have 2 points to make.
1, I followed the debate between you two with interest. The highlighted passages above seem to contradict one another, in my view. Yes, we can say what we want. The facts are always subjective. An expression of opinion can also be fact. An expression of an alternative view is not automatically a troll or a flame. I happen to think you are wrong (see below).
2. I have a MWS and a Jedi. In my view the amendment to the ADK benefits the non jedi classes more. As has been said - a 2/1100 power crystal works as well as a 1100/1100 one; a 2/1100 Pover Hammer is nearly f***d. The change means that the nearly dead "non lightsaber" weapons are made back to 100% - this does not benefit Jedi, it benefits all the other classes. Most of the initial worry on the Jedi forum about the ADK was whether it would protect all the crystals/pearls inside it or not - it does. The PSG debarcle is another point....which I will pass on for the moment.
Afee
TheLemming
Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:28 pm
#24
Look out, if you point out the failure of reason she'll have her 1 star bandits come after you too. 
This was in no way a proper debate. In the end we see her admitting that the claim against jedi was erroneous. This was my only issue with the post in the first place. Then she shifts the argument to the part I wasn't taking issue with to try and pretend that she was in the right. Not surprising since before that one she was trying to change the issue to the PSG debate because I called the bluff on a true source for this jedi complaint.
I LOVE the statement that I should base a contradictory post on facts when...wonder of wonders...I did just that. Meanwhile, just above it I read, "While my statements toward Jedi might not have been correctl, I still have the freedom of speech to blame them all I like, and you cannot deny this."
Yes, I need to base my argument on facts but she reserves the right to blame jedi, not only without facts, but without even being correct. Oh man...I'm almost glad you bumped this back so I could read that post...it's worth the next week's worth of one stars that I'll get for it.
Just another instance of someone that throw blame around and scream bloody murder when someone calls them on their crap.
This was in no way a proper debate. In the end we see her admitting that the claim against jedi was erroneous. This was my only issue with the post in the first place. Then she shifts the argument to the part I wasn't taking issue with to try and pretend that she was in the right. Not surprising since before that one she was trying to change the issue to the PSG debate because I called the bluff on a true source for this jedi complaint.
I LOVE the statement that I should base a contradictory post on facts when...wonder of wonders...I did just that. Meanwhile, just above it I read, "While my statements toward Jedi might not have been correctl, I still have the freedom of speech to blame them all I like, and you cannot deny this."
Yes, I need to base my argument on facts but she reserves the right to blame jedi, not only without facts, but without even being correct. Oh man...I'm almost glad you bumped this back so I could read that post...it's worth the next week's worth of one stars that I'll get for it. Just another instance of someone that throw blame around and scream bloody murder when someone calls them on their crap.
masselin
Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:37 pm
#25
emmily,
you made yourself look foolish trying to defendthe followingstatement......
"This was triggered by some Jedi trying to ADK their 4th generation sabers which were really beat up. Complaining happened, the dev's folded and continue to destroy the economy." --emmily
lemming, you clearly are her mental superior.
by the way, afee, facts are never subjective. by definition, they are objective only.
AfeeElandra
Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:36 am
#26
"by the way, afee, facts are never subjective. by definition, they are objective only."
Perhaps I should have said that facts are often manipulated, misrepresented, misinterpreted - the fact remains "a fact", but it's the context in which it is used that can distort its value.
Afee
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