Weaponsmith Archive

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Mor-Dan wrote:



What do I see as the problem?

There is a decided lack of comparable crafted weapons to those currently being given out as quest rewards. This is represented in three separate classes.

1. Quest reward weapons are, to some degree, made up of recognizable weapons from the films and other sources.

2. There is an obvious "cool" factor to the quest reward weapons as some are either well known, as above, or unique in their appearance, like the Katarn Knuckler.

3. Certain quest reward weapons are obviously and dramatically superior to the majority of crafted weapons, if not all weapons of that class.



How would I fix it?

I strongly believe in the viability and necessity of quest reward weapons. They need to remain in game and should not be reduced in any way. Fixing the issue, however, is relatively simple.

There needs to be clear differences between a quest reward weapon and a crafted weapon of the same level and class. If a quest reward weapon has dramatically higher damage then the comparable crafted weapon must have drastically lower SAC, to provide a viable alternative to the quest reward weapon.

I believe quest reward weapons, as much as I love them, should not be able to be repaired. If we do not know how to make a weapon, how can we possibly be able to fix it?

In NO CASE should a quest reward weapon wildly outperform a crafted weapon. To some degree is fine, but making a quest reward weapon the "end all" choice by a large factor only serves to degrade crafted weapons further.

Where melee weapons are concerned there are very few high level weapons. New weapons such as an Advanced Gaderiffi Baton, etc. would be widely appreciated and increase the viability of melee weaponsmithing.

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Those are my thoughts, Id be happy to hear any counterpoints.

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tehedin wrote:

I feel that every weapon should be in the WS skill tree. I never understood how we could just "forget" schematics.

I'd like to see a system where every single weapon has the ability to be enhanced by loot. Give npc's and certain critters (krayts, acklay, etc) the chance to drop enhancements and scale the quality of the enhancements according to the difficulty of the mob. This would discourage camping certain areas, give the WS the ability to make any weapon, as well as keeping the lewters in the mix.

I could handle the CU, but this quest-driven game we're heading towards is very discouraging.

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/agree

I hatetemporary schematics. I don't mind so much that certain "Special" weapons might require loot components, but keep the schematics available.

Message Edited by samijx on 06-02-2005 01:59 PM

weapons need more variety, i went to craft a 1-hand weapon for a friend, i couldn't, the best i could do was a curved sword cause she was level 31 and all the good weapons at that level are looted, so there was nothing i could do. made me really sad that a mWS can't equip a character when we are suppose to be the main source of equipment if not the only source of good weapons in the game, hence our functionality, take that away and we are useless

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Mor-Dan wrote:
that sounds a little too much like slicing...

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As a smuggler, I can tell you this would be missed for income, but frankly I'd be happy to give it up for smuggler content. There is some discussion that our traditional roles will disappear anyway in the smuggler revamp.

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Phat_D_Har wrote:

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Mor-Dan wrote:
that sounds a little too much like slicing...

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As a smuggler, I can tell you this would be missed for income, but frankly I'd be happy to give it up for smuggler content. There is some discussion that our traditional roles will disappear anyway in the smuggler revamp.

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noted. thanks for everyone's replies here. a new focus thread will be posted after the current patch on TC goes live. this will remain floated throught he weeked, and on Monday will be unstickied.

what do i see as the problems?

1) many of the new loot weapons were supposed to be new CU weapons. even in the CU beta these weapons were available from the frogs.

2) many of the new loot weapons are better than most of the crafted weapons.

3) current weapons all seem to have the same damage ranges and others seem to be grossly ineffective compared to others. take the advanced laser rifle for example, it requires less resources than a T-21 but has almost the same damage. so other than aesthetic appeal whats the point in making a T-21?

4) pre-CU looted weapon schems have mostly become useless. before the CU a DXR-6B rifle was a pretty good weapon now post CU its rubbish. same goes for the DE-10

5) WS left out of the process of crafting/creating/obtaining looted weapons. if an MBH player gets a proton carbine and ADK's it chances are he will never need another weapon again. this is bad for us as it makes us fairly useless.

possible solutions :

1 and 2 and 5 fix the loot tables so that instead of looting creds and useless junk that can be sold for creds people stand the chance of looting a limited use weapon schem.

3 and 4 mix up the damage ranges to make some of those useless weapons worth while again.

As many have pointed out..let the loot be schems,not the weapon itself..or atleast let there be schems that people can loot. Cause the caps set on crafted weapons makes it very hard to compeat with some of the looted ones. Best kin dam rifle i can make with gorax shards (tuskan and berserker) caps at 887, I have seen looted ones from the wookie expansion at around 1050 max with kin dam. So why would anyone by one of mine?..even if i use +160 or higher bones to cap em. This is annoying as hell..and kills ws as a proff.

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So either remove caps on weapons or make looted ones schems..not the weapon it self..or preferably both. Nemis

Hey, guys I thought I'd drop by and chime in on this subject as I'm looking through the boards. I'm not a weaponsmith, but I do need you guys badly...BH is dependant on good weapons and I hate to see my weaponsmiths hurting like this. Oh, btw Hi Mordan, Its Jorguus, I still play, lol and I have more Krayt Tissues in Storage if you want em. ok now down to business.

I think that a quest system for weaponsmiths to do and learn permanent draft schematics should be implemented. It should be crafting based and not have anything to do with combat so that they can do what they need without anyone else interferring. I think it would add content to the WS profession while allowing them to craft the more rare looted weapons in the game. Personally I like specialized weapons that are custom to my character, and I know those can be expensive sometimes but the ones I get from Mor-Dan are well worth it. I know how much work goes into making weapons and I salute you guys all the way, the CU was supposed to change combat profs, too bad it also dipped into your business...and that of armorsmiths i think too.

Another thing that was proposed pre CU that seems to have not come up was the idea of different creatures looting stuff that WS could use to enhance weapons. I was all for it and knew that it would be good business for WS and hunters alike...heck it would help out the Rangers out there as well.

I would like to see a crafter theme park that allowed them to craft more intricate upgrade components if they completed it. That way master crafters could run the park, finish the thing and learn "new" techniques on how to make weapon components that are above what they can normally do...of course there would have to be balancing factors on each component but it would add to the flavor. Heck, I'd like to see it where you guys could break down looted weapons and then reverse engineer them and know how to make them.

Finally, I say, give Master Crafters CL 25-30. Once you reach a master elite crafter prof you get to be that CL and the low level creatures wont touch you...heck save you guys from some danger. Got a tough job already dont need to add stress and multiple attempts to wrest resources from a Fambaa infested harvester.

Well that's two cents from your local BH who supports his WS's 100%.

Jorguus K'Ariel -- BH Extrordinaire

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Korom wrote:

Hey, guys I thought I'd drop by and chime in on this subject as I'm looking through the boards. I'm not a weaponsmith, but I do need you guys badly...BH is dependant on good weapons and I hate to see my weaponsmiths hurting like this. Oh, btw Hi Mordan, Its Jorguus, I still play, lol and I have more Krayt Tissues in Storage if you want em. ok now down to business.

I think that a quest system for weaponsmiths to do and learn permanent draft schematics should be implemented. It should be crafting based and not have anything to do with combat so that they can do what they need without anyone else interferring. I think it would add content to the WS profession while allowing them to craft the more rare looted weapons in the game. Personally I like specialized weapons that are custom to my character, and I know those can be expensive sometimes but the ones I get from Mor-Dan are well worth it. I know how much work goes into making weapons and I salute you guys all the way, the CU was supposed to change combat profs, too bad it also dipped into your business...and that of armorsmiths i think too.

Another thing that was proposed pre CU that seems to have not come up was the idea of different creatures looting stuff that WS could use to enhance weapons. I was all for it and knew that it would be good business for WS and hunters alike...heck it would help out the Rangers out there as well.

I would like to see a crafter theme park that allowed them to craft more intricate upgrade components if they completed it. That way master crafters could run the park, finish the thing and learn "new" techniques on how to make weapon components that are above what they can normally do...of course there would have to be balancing factors on each component but it would add to the flavor. Heck, I'd like to see it where you guys could break down looted weapons and then reverse engineer them and know how to make them.

Finally, I say, give Master Crafters CL 25-30. Once you reach a master elite crafter prof you get to be that CL and the low level creatures wont touch you...heck save you guys from some danger. Got a tough job already dont need to add stress and multiple attempts to wrest resources from a Fambaa infested harvester.

Well that's two cents from your local BH who supports his WS's 100%.

Jorguus K'Ariel -- BH Extrordinaire

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Oh myGodI just fell in love

Youis the prime example off a cool combattant with understanding of not only your ownprofession, but for the need for professions to rely on each other to make the game more fun for everyone

1) The problem I see is that the weapons from the quests pose is that they are the wanted/cooler weapons, we don't have many weapons to make as it is. Well we have a lot of schematics but why make things that just sit. Can't enhance a lot of weapons due to weapon caps. I like getting all these quest rewards myself, and surely don't want to see them go, but...

2a.) Well maybe the weapon could be a broken/worn out weapon. Say you need a weaponsmith to referbish or restore the weapon to make it usable. While restoring the weapon we can add new enhancements/parts. Kind of a weapon that can be broken down to a schematic to be rebuilt. So if they just want to show it off in their houses they can because it looks like a normal weapon, but is not useable.