Weaponsmith Archive

Thread: Tangle Pistol now defunct...? Thx Devs

WerrtZer
Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:00 am
#1
Once again weapons makers are cheated out their craftable items by the new loot system. Many threads here over the past weeks have been drool-fests on the new Geo sonic pistol, it's craftable stats, looted ones, etc. No body has given a thought to the fact that smiths have had another weapon rendered useless and unsaleable due to an update.


Now there is no doubt that a proper stun pistol needed to be introduced to the game and being a pistoleer myself, I'm all for this new gun, but when it comes down to it, this was simply an easy "fix", whereby instead of fixing our craftable stun pistol, they introduced an "uber-loot" version and a rare limited-use schematic for it. The devs constantly nerf things in ored to "avoid monopolies" and "create balance" but instead they manage to achieve the complete opposite.


Confused? Let me explain:


Pre patch, a customer contacts me to ask if I make a pistol that does stun damage. I tell them yes, the Tangle pistol. They ask about stats and ask can it not be made anybetter. I suggest nym loot enhanced versions and hoping for a damage slice. They buy the pistol anyway and then ask me why they can't hit anything with it. I say it's borked and that it needs to be fixed, but that is just how it is. I make the best that I can, and most smiths ones are similar.


Post patch, a customer comes to me to ask if I make a pistol that does stun damage. I tell them yes, the Tangle pistol. They say they've seen their friend using an awesome new stun pistol that they got at the geo caves or bought on the trade boards, and can I make them some of those. I say sorry but I haven't got the schematic, that it's rare and that weapons made from it would be very expensive, but my Tangles are server best and only 10K. They say no they want only the best, and something that they can actually compete with in PvP. They say they will look elsewhere.


Now the fact that this schematic is a rare andlimited use mean that both the weapons made from it and the schem itself will be fetching millions or even 10's of millions on the forums. Once again the uber loot monopolies roll into town, forcing both poorer smiths and poorer pistol users to the back of the queue.

Smiths want to make the best andmost desirable weapons on their server, as much as combatants want to have them. When the lucky few (or the rich few) get their hands on these things they leave the rest of us at a disadvantage: as smiths, uncompetetive; as combatants, sub par.


Why is the geo pistol schem not like the Tenloss acid rifle? It should be an easy drop to get, not a reason for more camping. Why wasn't it made like the scythe and give everyone a fair chance at obtaining it, instead of playing into the hands of the people who have nothing else to do but camp the geo cave all day?


Once again things are taken away from us. Weapons get nerfed, while others remain broken, but "Hey, we revamped the loot system, guys!! Aren't you all really happy to have something to do again?".

I for one am not impressed.



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cgdarkbolt
Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:37 am
#2
I agree, the rich get richer and the poor , well, get stuffed once again, cheers devs.



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Itchybacca
Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:14 pm
#3
THe pistols arent rare, the schematics are, I only know if 4 o Valcyn since it opened, and there have been hundreds of tenloss rifle schematics.


On Valcyn one schematic went for 7-8 million there is one in auction where bidding is up to 11 million right now.


I hope this is bugged and these will be dropping as often as DXR6's (I have 20 schematics in bank, and 3 in my bag now for DXR6 Disruptor rifle)



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Itchybacca
Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:15 pm
#4
Th elooted pistols are worse-slightly better than a crafted tangle pistol. A smith crafted sonic blaster is 50% better than a tangle.

Message Edited by Itchybacca on 03-09-2004 03:15 PM



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rexan
Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:23 pm
#5




WerrtZer wrote:

Once again weapons makers are cheated out their craftable items by the new loot system. Many threads here over the past weeks have been drool-fests on the new Geo sonic pistol, it's craftable stats, looted ones, etc. No body has given a thought to the fact that smiths have had another weapon rendered useless and unsaleable due to an update.




Suck it up man. You can be part of the process.


When mister LEET pistoleer comes asking you about buying a sonic pistol tell him this:


"I can make you a sonic pistol, and I will make it for you for free. However, you have to bring me a schematic and some geonisan power cubes"


Once be brings you the schem and cubes, make him a pistol. Then you have yourself 1/2 a schematic and some extra power cubes to do with as you see fit.


The developers ARE looking out for weaponsmiths. The schematic pistols are still better than the loot drop pistols. And you need to me a weaponsmith to use these schematics.




Rexan Ryu
Master Smuggler
Flurry Server
Hero_DarkJedi
Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:32 pm
#6




rexan wrote:




WerrtZer wrote:

Once again weapons makers are cheated out their craftable items by the new loot system. Many threads here over the past weeks have been drool-fests on the new Geo sonic pistol, it's craftable stats, looted ones, etc. No body has given a thought to the fact that smiths have had another weapon rendered useless and unsaleable due to an update.




Suck it up man. You can be part of the process.


When mister LEET pistoleer comes asking you about buying a sonic pistol tell him this:


"I can make you a sonic pistol, and I will make it for you for free. However, you have to bring me a schematic and some geonisan power cubes"


Once be brings you the schem and cubes, make him a pistol. Then you have yourself 1/2 a schematic and some extra power cubes to do with as you see fit.


The developers ARE looking out for weaponsmiths. The schematic pistols are still better than the loot drop pistols. And you need to me a weaponsmith to use these schematics.





Greets ...


Yep ... that is what I tell them ... go to the caves ... get me the schem and the cubes (or schem and cores for scythe) ... but I charge them like 50k per weapon for the custom service :-) (less if they are poor).






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WerrtZer
Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:37 pm
#7




rexan wrote:




WerrtZer wrote:

Once again weapons makers are cheated out their craftable items by the new loot system. Many threads here over the past weeks have been drool-fests on the new Geo sonic pistol, it's craftable stats, looted ones, etc. No body has given a thought to the fact that smiths have had another weapon rendered useless and unsaleable due to an update.




Suck it up man. You can be part of the process.


When mister LEET pistoleer comes asking you about buying a sonic pistol tell him this:


"I can make you a sonic pistol, and I will make it for you for free. However, you have to bring me a schematic and some geonisan power cubes"


Once be brings you the schem and cubes, make him a pistol. Then you have yourself 1/2 a schematic and some extra power cubes to do with as you see fit.


The developers ARE looking out for weaponsmiths. The schematic pistols are still better than the loot drop pistols. And you need to me a weaponsmith to use these schematics.






Sorry but the whole fact that it is such a rare find (none have dropped on several servers including mine) means that anyone lucky enough to find it is gonna run straight to the trade forums and get as much as they can for it, and really who could blame them? What are the chances of a WS or his group looting the schem, and even further if the group is large how is such loot to be fairly divided?


Why should I "suck it up" when all that needs to be done is to either give us the d4mn schematic or don't? None of this uber loot drop crap, no outright profiteering.

Requirement of the cubes alone should be enough. Look at how many DXR6-bs there are out there: I have 20 or so sitting waiting for a slicer and plenty more schems and cubes.

On the other hand I have a looted Geo pistol that I spent a lot on at auction. Don't get me wrong; I have little problem with finished weapons dropping, but what I DO have a problem with is a rare limited use schematic which will give certain lucky (or veryrich) smiths another edge over their competition, which at the same time renders one of our (notice I say "our" here) weapons all but useless. Who in their right mind will buy a Tangle now that they can hold and buy a geo pistol? Even gorax bone or spider fang enhanced versions are still worthless when viewed alongside either looted or crafted sonic blasters. All they had to do was fix Tangles like we've been saying on here for months, but no they feel the need to pander to the phat l3wt campers instead.


...and mark my words: it won't end there.



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MSH_Hitman
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:57 am
#8
Not really sure where you get that this schematic will be sold for millions...it isn't that rare...and I have got 2 genosian pistols since it started...it isn't that rare of a loot.



Maxon Plisken
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waaha
Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:38 am
#9







WerrtZer wrote:

Once again weapons makers are cheated out their craftable items by the new loot system. Many threads here over the past weeks have been drool-fests on the new Geo sonic pistol, it's craftable stats, looted ones, etc. No body has given a thought to the fact that smiths have had another weapon rendered useless and unsaleable due to an update.




If your tangle pistol sales have suffered that much because of a few rare loot drops...........


Something is wrong.....and loot drops have nothing to do with it



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HellshockD
Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:49 am
#10
Didn't realise it the sonic blaster schematic is such a rare loot.
i have one,haven't started making them yet tho.
it seem that it'll be a rare thing a smith made sonic.

will start on them today,and share the info with you ..



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Abbell
Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:06 am
#11
make sure you have plenty uber chrome alum though..150+units in fact. I think I like the Mod reps, enh E11, and fwg5's though because I can at least do factory runs of them. I will probably only make the sonic blaster with tissues.



Dex're Abbell
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Abbell
Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:07 am
#12

here you go...



Geonosian Sonic Blaster (Experimentation: 50% Conductivity/50% OQ)
170 Chromium Aluminum
60 Mythra Copper
4x Identical Blaster Power Handlers
1x Blaster Pistol Barrel
1 Power Cube
Optional Weapon Scope





Dex're Abbell
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DudeDarth
Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:05 am
#13

I made a run of six identical Geo Sonic blasters on Starsider. I had the guns sliced, kept the 278 max damage for my psitoleer and sold the rest. The other two with damage slices in the 240's went for 2 million each. THe others are currently still being bid on are 300-500k.


That schematic has 5 uses and is well worth 10 million.


Damage Stun
991/991 cond
114-208 2.9 SPd (base before slice)
+25 @ 15m
32/41/19 HAM





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