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Thread: Pistoleers NEED your help resolving a possible DE-10 barrel problem
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djswift2k
Thu May 27, 2004 9:13 pm
#1
Here, I am representing the pistoleers, because well, nobody else hastaken the initiative yet about a potentially serious DE-10 problem, and as far as i know im the only pistoleer who hasmultiple DE-10s and cares about things like this. Thesearenew guns,and a single server does not have enough ofthem crafted yet in order toprovide an adequate sample size for a proper analysis of the real data. Thats why I'm asking YOU, the master weaponsmiths, to help us out from all of the servers so we can get this potential problem addressed and resolved as fast as possible, as well as determine whetehr or not it really is a problem.
background:
I had 2 DE-10's made with "white" barrels, and +96 -0.627 krayt tissue. they ended up as 3.6 speed on both and 354 and 357 max damage (unsliced of course). Now, one of my peers had one made with a "yellow" barrel, and +83 tissue with a speed mod that I am unaware of. His pistol ended up being 388 max damage. considering his gun is 31max damage higher than mine and mine has tissue that is 13 damage higher and none of these guns are sliced... this is suggestive the "white" barrels do in fact have no mods as was previously accepted, but also suggestive that the "yellow" barrels in fact DO have mods although hidden. As far as I know, this is a damage difference far too great for the same +12 smith, or any smith for that matter to have betwen two different guns present in this example, andsome conclusionneedsto be determined as an actualfact for the community as a whole.
Because these are looted schematics and components, and not many have been made on any single server I'm polling you, the master weaponsmiths of various servers, with specific information so that I can conduct a more detailed analysis and present BOTH the Weaponsmith and pistoleer correspondents with enough information so that something can be done. I spoke to Randonb, the pistoleer correspondent and he said that I need more data before he can do anything, so here i am collecting it. (Mind you, Randonb is an awesome correspondent who is always on the ball, and I am in no way trying to belittle him by taking this initiative on my own, its a personal problem between me and SWG itselfwhichI dont really feel like explaining AGAIN... LOL!--pm me if you want to now what I am talking about)
Now here's what i need you guys to do. PLEASE POST ONLY THE REQUESTED INFORMATION in your replies. If you think i need to add something to this, please PM me and i will edit the requirements on my post.
This is an issue that needs to be resolved so we can finally prove whetehr or not DE-10 barrels have stats, if only certain ones do, and how to get the DEV's to make them visible if some do in fact have stats.
NEEDED INFORMATION:
condition
speed
damage
wound
range mods
ham costs
*********************what type of success (great success, critical success, etc that type of thing in the crafting)*********************
*********************if krayt tissue was used, stats the stats of the tissue used as well*********************
*********************state whether a white or yellow barrel was used*********************
*********************state whether a white or yellow barrel was used*********************
*********************State whether or not you are a +12 smith*********************
Supposedly we have been told that it can be accepted taht DE-10 barrels have no mods. On Valcyn, we have seena correlation which DE's which are made with yellow barrels seem to be significantly stronger and marginally faster than DE 10's made with white barrels. From my own knowledge thre was an example where a gun with +83 tissue had 31 more max damage than my +96 tissue. As far as I am aware, a 44 damage difference between that one and my two DE's is far more than the normal WS tolerance, especially by the same +12 smith and is highly suggestive that yellow barrels in fact DO have mods albeit hidden.
when im referring to white and yellwo barrels this is what i mean
white: text of object name is white
yellow: text of object name is yellow, just like a gun with a powerup or a looted weapon or component
For me (a master pistoleer since augest) this is a game breaking problem becasue my "special" (master pistoleer cert) guns are messed up becaue we were given info by the TC people basedon obvious assumptions. Please help me get some hard data on this (pistoleer correspondent randonb told me i need more data before he can do anything about the issue). ONLY YOU GUYS CRAFT THESE!!!!
SoPLEASE help "us", the pistoleers of SWG who spend our hard earned credits to buy your awesome pistols.
SoPLEASE help "us", the pistoleers of SWG who spend our hard earned credits to buy your awesome pistols.
If you thinkI am missing an important piece of data in the criteria i am asking for, please PM me andI will edit my post accordingly.
I would also appreciate it if this threadcould be stickied until the issue is fully resolved.
Thank you in advance for everything guys (and girls). Hopefully this can be resolved quickly.
Stealth Mcownzjo of the Valcyn server
Master Pistoleer since augest (if you are intersted in the rest of my template, please PM me)
Oh, please forgive any spelling and grammatical errors, i typed this up while doing about 4 other things at the same time, so I dont think it came out perfect and I might be redundant at some points.
Randonb
Thu May 27, 2004 9:59 pm
#2
This is a tricky thing to nail down, because unlike standard weapons, we can't churn out however many we want to get a good sample size. On the other hand, I know you guys knowenough about the crafting system to figure out what's going on here. 
If you would give djswift2kyour support, I'll be watching. Thanks!
PS: you can find the thread that sparked the debate here. If you would, be sure to read LLJK_Griz's assessment (8th post down).
biwan:
LuapLink
Fri May 28, 2004 2:44 am
#3
I know someone that looted a barrel that had green writing so its possible that they are like geo cubes, with white having no stats, yellow improving damage and green improving condition. I believe he waas waiting for the stat bug to be fixed before using it. If its like the geo cubes there may be red ones as well, although with cubes they are the hardest to find.
djswift2k
Fri May 28, 2004 11:32 am
#4
/bump we need more data still for other servers to make sure this isnt just on valcyn
Message Edited by djswift2k on 05-28-2004 11:33 AM
Lurax
Fri May 28, 2004 12:34 pm
#5
First of all, the 2 I made for Stealth used +96/-.63 krayt tissue and yeilded the guns posted on the pistoleer thread. The second one had 2 moderate successes and came out 3 points of damage lower, but I'm going to assume they *should* have been identical (all other stats matched, meaning both white barrels probably had identical hidden stats).
so with +96 max -.63 speed over base crafted numbers, you get
3.6 speed 139-357 dmg
which would imply that the 'base' crafted stats for an unenhanced DE-10 with 'base' DE-10 barrels and Valcyn's best resourcesis around
4.2 speed 139-261 dmg
Note: I'm assuming that DE-10 barrels follow the same pattern as every other stat-bearing loot, where white text is used for the base (lowest) stats and anything above average has yellow/green text.
I've made3 yellow-text barreled DE-10s, all with the same resources, all pure great successes on experimentation, maxed dmg/speed
1) +83/-.7 krayt tissue ---> 3.3 speed 142-388 dmg
2) +94/-.7 krayt tissue ---> 3.5 speed 142-390 dmg
3) +57/-.3 krayt tissue ---> 3.7 speed 141-320 dmg
so, subtracting tissues, you get unenhanced stats (with the yellow barrels) at:
1) 4.0 speed 142-305 dmg
2) 4.2 speed 142-296 dmg
3) 4.0 speed 141-263 dmg
Subtracting base stats with white barrels gives you
1) -.2 speed +3 min +44 max
2) -0 speed +3 min +35 max
3) -.2 speed +2 min +2 max
so basically,here's hard dataconfirming that the DE-10 barrels have hidden stats, and that the stats can vary.
djswift2k
Fri May 28, 2004 11:32 pm
#6
cmon guys we need info from at least a couple other servers besides valcyn, represent your servers, and help the pistoleers (your customers) out!
NostalgiaCorbantis
Sat May 29, 2004 3:41 am
#7
this happening on Corbantis as well
Nostalgia's Weapons Shop
Duty Free Shop Phase II at -291 , -4437
Mercator , South of Dearic on Talus
Duty Free Shop Phase II at -291 , -4437
Mercator , South of Dearic on Talus
WerrtZer
Sat May 29, 2004 6:45 am
#8
djswift2k wrote:
cmon guys we need info from at least a couple other servers besides valcyn, represent your servers, and help the pistoleers (your customers) out!
You've got to realise that a lot of us haven't even gotten a schematic yet, or a barrel. Perhaps a bit of patience on your part: I'm a pistoleer/WS and would also like to know if there is a bug with these, but hey give the rest of us a chance to actually make one first, then we'll try and tell you...
LLJK_Griz
Sat May 29, 2004 9:10 am
#9
There isn't going to be much more data on this because the DWB is already dead. Guildmate went on the third day and it was deserted, and another server reported less than 10 people there at prime time yesterday.
Alesis
Sun May 30, 2004 10:55 am
#10
Haven't worked with a DE-10 yet. But I did have a few yellow writing geo reinforcement cores. They were far supperior to white ones.
Enix_Dayspring
Sun May 30, 2004 1:39 pm
#11
LLJK_Griz wrote:
There isn't going to be much more data on this because the DWB is already dead. Guildmate went on the third day and it was deserted, and another server reported less than 10 people there at prime time yesterday.
Yup. Ive been there 4 times in the last 3 days and there was only 1 or 2 people there. We managed to get a few stragglers and put a group of 7 or 8 together, but its not enough in that place.
Dungeon that requires 40 people working in highly cooperative unison
+
Barely any loot drops and those that do drop arent enough to spread around
= EMPTY DUNGEON.
djswift2k
Sun May 30, 2004 1:48 pm
#12
we need to get data from ones that have already been crafted then. If you guys have or know any other smiths who have crafted plese, PLEASE ask them to post what informatin that they remember here. PLEASE!!!! If not, them I m only going to present this informatin as being proven to be the case on Valcyn, sicne this appears the only server where we were able to run our numbers on these things, and im sure you guys on the other servers wouldnt be too happy about that.
Mystic2k4
Sun May 30, 2004 2:35 pm
#13
10 Point Smith on Tempest Server
DE-10 Pistol made with +54 tissues, sorry cannot remember speed stats on tissues. used Yellow Barrel
Weapon came out as follows
Condition 907
Speed 3.8
Damage 130/380
Wound 41.2%
if can i get ahold of person holding pistol i will try and find out the range mods on it
Xoxiss Master WS Tempest
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