Weaponsmith Archive

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Abbell wrote:

are crafted weapons out of balance or looted items? well?

Think about it... this all became a problem when 400 dmg Acklay bones popped up. When 3k damage T21s surfaced. The devs screwed up in the first place and are now using a chainsaw to remove a thorn.

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completely agree.

and i feel guilty as i have many weapons made from said bones

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Bermag wrote:

Some things to discuss:

1) Should lower certified weapons be capped much lower than master weapons? For example how good should a D18 be? Should I be able to use a +200 tissue and make that weapon 200 higher max dam or should it cap much lower?

Like most of us, I'm still trying to catch up on the latest developments, but it seems that with many, if not most weapons, they are either capping during crafting if loot components are used or getting single digit damage slices if they are standard weapons. If that's the case, loot components in most cases will enable you to max dmg and/or speed without using as many points as you might otherwise need but it's unclear to me if there's anything else really worth spending those points on yet. People are also reporting that some loot items will put you over the cap without getting the full benefit of the stats of the loot item, meaning unless it changes certain loot items will be too powerful to use without losing some of it's effect.

2) Should we be able to reach the cap when crafting or only when weapon get sliced?

Under the system in testing, a lesser weapon can equal or exceed a better weapon simply because it can get a higher percentage slice. That's absurd and pretty much renders weapons enhancements irrelevant. I'm not certain of this, but I believe that if you've hit the weapon cap for damage then you can't get the weapon damage sliced. Perhaps the intention is to enable unsliced weapons to reach the same levels of damage or speed and sliced weapons, thereby eliminating the need to get weapons sliced. Regardless, there's no way that you should hit the cap on a weapon before getting the full use of whatever loot components you used on the weapon.

3) Should base damage be lowered on weapons? Damage was increased on weapons simply because many players will look at that and say "cool, weapons got stronger" without considering that they'll be dishing out a lot less damage after the revamp. It really doesn't matter whether you lower the base (of course mobs stats would have to change proportionately), increase the cap, or adjust the loot. The end result has to be that you can use loot on weapons without losing their usefulness due to ridiculously low cap on the weapon itself.

4) Should the cap be percent or absolute number? The cap should be the unenhanced weapon damage plus the max value of the available enhancement for that weapon plus the max slice for that weapon. If they need to adjust the loot dmg ranges or base damage of weapons then so be it but don't implement a system where loot gets wasted or inferior weapons are on par with better weapons just because on can get a better slice than another, especially since the smuggler revamp will enable smugglers to choose what type of slices they put on a weapon.

5) Finally and most important, what is a reasonable cap?

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the caps should only exist in a "perfect world" scenario. meaning the caps should have been set using each item with the best possible resources, the best possible enhancements, and the best possible experimentation rolls. that way a perfect weapon can be crafted in a perfect scenario, yet leaves variety underneath it. this "capping" business is one reason why we are here to begin with and the devs HAD stated previously that if they do their jobs right there shouldn't be any caps at all. go figure...


all caps are bad. do your job and program the game, don't cap it to cover your mistakes.

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Willbaby wrote:
caps need to be removed , exactly as u say , i think in all my time as a WS ive made about 2-3 weapons that i would consider overpowerd (sure ive made loads of great ones, but the combination of exceptional loot and a great slice was very rare i feel), compare that to looted ones which are a dime a dozen these days , rather than enforcing this cap , surely they can keep it sensible by enforcing loot drops and enhancement stats rather than capping a weapon , if i use a enhancement that adds 100max i want it to add 100 max . why cap a weapon if the maximum enhancents we can use will only add a couple hundred damage ,surely this isnt enuff to out balance them .
also are we never gonna need to collect res again after we have ones that will cap a weapons stats?

to briefly sum myself up , i feel the cap should be totaly removed, weapon stats should reflect the res used ,
they are turning enhancements like geo loot into nothing more than a named component .

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/agree

I have a lot of enhanched weapons made, and what is the use of special components if the weapons in gonna be the same.

It is almost like with the exeptional armor segments that dropped they have 45% base protection, you should in theory craft 100%+ armor with it (100% as max ofcourse), but instead it caps at 90%. The problem here is that they have a broken loot drop system that needs to be fixed so these caps aren't needed. IF you loot some +400 damage Krayt tissues you should have +400 max damage on the weapon you use them on plain and simple.....

*covers for the coming CU Nerf Bat*

caps need to be removed , exactly as u say , i think in all my time as a WS ive made about 2-3 weapons that i would consider overpowerd (sure ive made loads of great ones, but the combination of exceptional loot and a great slice was very rare i feel), compare that to looted ones which are a dime a dozen these days , rather than enforcing this cap , surely they can keep it sensible by enforcing loot drops and enhancement stats rather than capping a weapon , if i use a enhancement that adds 100max i want it to add 100 max . why cap a weapon if the maximum enhancents we can use will only add a couple hundred damage ,surely this isnt enuff to out balance them .
also are we never gonna need to collect res again after we have ones that will cap a weapons stats?

to briefly sum myself up , i feel the cap should be totaly removed, weapon stats should reflect the res used ,
they are turning enhancements like geo loot into nothing more than a named component .

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Accamim wrote:

Take the caps off the weapons in the master level boxes!

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given their goal of 'balancing' I am pretty sure thats the one box you wont ever get a cap lifted on. You have a better chance of having a scout blaster w/ stats of a dl-44xt than having a dl-44xt with 1200 max damage.

hmm why don't they just make the lowest possible, lower. Shift everything down so that we can't hit the caps just crafting.

The reason they increased the damage on weapons is because of the lack of damage multipliers now. They had to do something to compensate for this.. making the damage on weapons higher and keeping the multipliers lower keeps things more predictible and within reasonable ranges.

Message Edited by Ipseck on 04-20-2005 03:24 PM